A living history of Hedonism II: The Swinger In Chief (an interview with Hedonism Resorts CEO Harry Lange)

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The culmination of a three-part series on the most notorious resort on the planet, Hedonism II. Mickey & Mallory catch up with Harry Lange, the CEO of Hedonism Resorts to talk all things Hedo and, what it means to be a “Swinger in Chief.”

Find out more about the purchase of the resort, the key upgrades, some of the groups that attend, and what’s in the next chapter of the legendary destination in Negril, Jamaica. Don’t miss this rare opportunity to hear the latest and greatest from the man himself!

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A Living History of Hedonism II – The Swinger in Chief

Thu, 9/2 10:07AM • 1:08:22

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

hito, hedonism, people, swinger, resort, harry, couple, rascals, casual, talk, guests, mallory, lifestyle, bit, week, years, day, thought, listeners, question

SPEAKERS

Harry Lange, Mickey Gordon, Mallory Gordon

 

Mallory Gordon  00:09

Welcome to casual swinger. If you’re under 18, the following podcast is not appropriate for you. The subjects and language are for mature audiences only. If you’re not mature in nature, just make sure you’re old enough to vote. We don’t take ourselves seriously ever. No guarantees given regarding the accuracy of any opinions or statements made on this podcast or website or a blog. It’s all in fun, folks. This isn’t Dr. Phil. Now consider yourself the listener properly advised. Welcome back to casual swinger, Mallory, Mickey. And we have this third installment of history of hedonism to

 

Mickey Gordon  00:53

a living history of hedonism do I know? everybody hears alive? Nobody’s dead? We’re not talking about the dead people. Just happy living people.

 

Mallory Gordon  01:02

Fair enough. Fair enough.

 

Mickey Gordon  01:03

But speaking of living, we’re kind of lucky you are Oh, my.

 

Mallory Gordon  01:08

I don’t even know if I can blame it on the heat. Oh, crap. I did a lot. 11 we were down in Jamaica. And I mean, Thursday night, it just hit me like a brick wall. And thank God, we had a doctor on the trip. Is there a doctor in the house? Seriously? Seriously, I was scary.

 

Mickey Gordon  01:24

Yeah, she was really sick guys. And so she ended up sitting out a pool party, emceed which, that was hard for you.

 

Mallory Gordon  01:32

Yeah. You wanted me to go back to the room and rest, but there was no way I did jump up and help with like the champagne. Oh, that’s right. You did spray champagne. With your giant champagne penis.

 

Mickey Gordon  01:43

Yes. So yeah, but we’re not going to get into that too much. We’re going to talk about our recap later. But this is all about the swinger in chief. The swinging chief is of course Harry Lang. He’s the president and CEO of hedonism resorts. So we’ve got a conversation with him coming up here in a little bit for you guys that I think is really going to knock your socks off. This was a fantastic interview and so much fun to do.

 

Mallory Gordon  02:06

Yeah, I feel very fortunate. I mean, obviously we love Howard. His conversations and, you know, the interview we did with him was fantastic. And then we got the opportunity to talk to john, we just missed him. He left the day we got in and then to recap this off with Harry is just amazing.

 

Mickey Gordon  02:23

Yeah, we chased his ass all over the resort we

 

Mallory Gordon  02:25

did. And he was chasing NASA for

 

Mickey Gordon  02:29

chasing as we were chasing his ass. But, you know, we finally caught up with him. Obviously, he’s in Miami today. So we caught up with him after the fact. But in a lot of ways, I think it’s still a fantastic interview for everybody. We did have a couple little cellular snafu. So we had to correct a couple things and say, Hey, by the way, you know, this is what he meant. Yes. Can’t hear him.

 

Mallory Gordon  02:50

Yeah, it’s not perfect. But I think the the conversation is definitely worth a listen. Yeah.

 

Mickey Gordon  02:55

And I mean, we got the CEO of Hito on our show, which is just so bad.

 

Mallory Gordon  03:00

It is and I love like the personal information. Like he he was completely transparent and had no hesitation. We talked about the lifestyle. We talked about how he found keto. First time he went, it was good stuff. I enjoyed it.

 

Mickey Gordon  03:13

Yeah, me too. I think it was it was super fun. And, you know, it even kind of came up when we were talking before the show. You know, we wore a lot of casual swinger swag this week we

 

Mallory Gordon  03:23

did we did we were testing out some of our merchandise and you know, obviously we want to make our brand known and I went over really well everybody

 

Mickey Gordon  03:33

knew where we were because we hung a casual swinger flag in the window we had perfect like, perfect because we

 

Mallory Gordon  03:38

did but the but one of my favorite things was is that like a come one come all statement.

 

Mickey Gordon  03:45

Come often. Yeah, right. Right. And it was. So that was hanging in the window. But we had our T shirts and full display. We had beach towels, we had stickers we had we had so much casual swinger crap that people thought we were a travel group and we’re like, No, no, no, we host for the rascals. Seriously. Yeah, so I think we overdid it a little bit this trip, we need to wear all rascal stuff next time. But you know, just in case anybody’s wondering, you can actually buy casual swinger t shirts. We have them there on our website at casual swinger calm under buy stuff. So if you guys check those out, and we got a few Funny, funny type things up there, and, you know, most of it’s pretty much up I think we make like, what, two bucks

 

Mallory Gordon  04:22

if that, you know, like, like you said, a lot of it’s just funny. I like to heat up, um, stuff that that shirt he made.

 

Mickey Gordon  04:29

Oh, yeah, that one got a lot of a lot of attention. Yeah. So you know, we have a heat obem logo that we made, which is heat albums on my license plates. My Twitter handle and my personal Twitter handle is the heat obem. So that’s, yeah, all kinds of that stuff. But, you know, it was pretty cool. We got to hang out with friends see a few groups. Some of the fluff stayed over. So we saw some of those guys.

 

Mallory Gordon  04:52

And what’s great about this trip is we didn’t realize it till we are away. It’s actually the anniversary of our honeymoon.

 

Mickey Gordon  04:59

Oh yeah. friend of ours. We

 

Mallory Gordon  05:00

are in our friend aversary with Jim and Rachel. So a few things we got to see people we haven’t seen in maybe four years that only go on the February trips like Mel,

 

Mickey Gordon  05:10

like Mel. Yeah, it was great to see him and him slaying ass like he always Yeah, that guy is prolific. So that was pretty cool. But we’re gonna save some of that for for our recap coming up, but

 

Mallory Gordon  05:22

yeah, let my voice recoup a little bit before we dive into all things Hito on that

 

Mickey Gordon  05:27

trip, like your little raspy thing you’ve got going on you always

 

Mallory Gordon  05:30

do e 30. Motherfucker,

 

Mickey Gordon  05:32

fever pussy to get out of here. So I’m telling you guys, next time your girl gets a fever jump on it. It’s a little bit hotter than you. Okay, you’re looking at me like I’m bout to get killed. So maybe I’ll just move on.

 

Mallory Gordon  05:46

Yeah, that’s a great segue.

 

Mickey Gordon  05:49

We’re doing some travel this week. I think I leave tomorrow for Cali, right?

 

Mallory Gordon  05:53

Yes, you leave for Cali and then you get back and we turn around leave again for the Midwest for the rascals wedding. Oh, right. Yeah. And then I go back to the Midwest the next week, and then you’re gone again to like,

 

Mickey Gordon  06:08

I don’t know. Cincinnati. Yeah, the inner guts of Ohio. But we’re gonna see the purge, or at least I’m going to see the person. Yeah, I see. Jason Heather’s Yeah, I

 

Mallory Gordon  06:14

still have to look and see if I can tag along.

 

Mickey Gordon  06:16

Yeah, that’d be pretty cool. So I’m gonna go see some friends up there. But you know, it’s it’s crazy. I mean, Oh, we got back from Hedo. We’re home for 12 hours, and I’m off again. But you know, these things happen. You know, it was totally worth it. It’s always totally worth it. You know, and we’ll get out there and do it again. But you guys will notice this is different. This is different cadence for us. They were just different music for these episodes. Little more Jamaican feeling a little more reggae. I’m over here sway and like I know how to do I don’t.

 

Mallory Gordon  06:45

It’s kind of cute, though. Yeah, I definitely have the diff going. Which sounds like an STI. But it’s not. It’s, you know, the dreaded Island fever. Oh, I’m so happy that I was thinking I was going home. No, it’s just missing home.

 

Mickey Gordon  06:59

Yeah. And I it happens right? You definitely get a little bit of that going on. And you’re like, I need to get back and we need to book another trip. We have so many trips coming up. Right? We’ve got Nyn coming up. Yeah, in July, or spanking Party, which we need to tell everybody about our meet and greet. We need to work with Beth on now.

 

Mallory Gordon  07:16

Yeah, we’re working out the logistics. So we’re going to be in Houston area on towards the middle slash end of May. And we’re thinking about hosting a meet and greet with Beth. So more details to come on that.

 

Mickey Gordon  07:27

Yeah, so just some intensely cool stuff that we’re going to be able to do and so excited to do it. But these episodes right, what’s different about them what’s special. So these episodes, we did three episodes in a row living history hedonism to the first one was the ultimate ambassador. The second one was the winds of change. And this one swinger in chief, we interviewed three people, three guys, right. The first guy was Howard horenstein. He’s been to the resort hundreds of times over 38 years. Why do you go Why do you keep going back? What’s changed? That dude has so much to offer?

 

Mallory Gordon  07:59

Yeah, he could he could write silver books. Yeah. At this point, and I love I love you know, all his stories.

 

Mickey Gordon  08:06

Maybe those people don’t want to be in those books, but you could read

 

Mallory Gordon  08:09

Dr. Spank.

 

Mickey Gordon  08:11

Dr. Spank. Yeah, we have a pretty cool picture. We’re gonna post up the return of Dr. Spank. We’re gonna hold him to that one. But that was his name back in the day. It was Dr. Spank. And then you know, obviously john with the fluffer nutters we talked to him and had a really nice long talk with him while we were at Hito even though it was remote, so that was a mastery, being able to hear each other and talk over each other was a mess, but I love it. Yeah. And he was so cool to have on because we heard the story of how he got acquired and what happened. And then we went a little deeper today with Harry Lang, where he talked about the conversation that it started where they were both drunk in the pool. We should buy this place. And sure shit, here we are. just killing it. So let’s talk about Harry for a minute. Right?

 

Mallory Gordon  08:55

Yeah, yeah. So Harry is a very special animal here. I mean, obviously, he is ultimately the guy that that ended up saving Hito by purchasing and he was brought to the table with, you know, john gross, the guy who, who runs the fluffer nutters. And, you know, he goes into detail, which you guys will hear later about, you know, this, this resort would not be there today without him.

 

Mickey Gordon  09:18

No, it really wouldn’t be and, you know, these guys, you know, they’re just normal guys who were on vacation. And they said, We love this place this much. The people around us love this place this much. We cannot let this happen. And they did a little homework. Right? JOHN led the charge. And by leading that charge, he saved the place we call home and probably one of the most notorious resorts on the face of the planet.

 

Mallory Gordon  09:43

Yeah, I mean, there’s really nothing exactly like he know, I don’t know that you could replicate or duplicate it.

 

Mickey Gordon  09:50

Well, and I think a lot of people have tried, I think, you know, when we look at, you know, the history of places like desire or temptation. They want to be Hito esque. They want to provide Competitive experience and I think they do. I think they’ve succeeded a competitive experience. But it lacks the magic,

 

Mallory Gordon  10:06

you know, but we can’t really say that verbatim because we’ve never been No, we’re gonna exceed back that we’ve gotten Yeah, it’s about the energy and the different, you know, everyone’s got their own speed. Everyone loves specific things about every resort. Right now. He does just, well, our our personal home

 

Mickey Gordon  10:23

and look at it this way. Right. So remember, we’ve been to a couple of swinger clubs, where we met a couple or a couple of couples that just made it amazing. The people we met made it fantastic. And then we hear reviews about that club, and they’re like, oh, that place sucks this that this, that this that. And we’re like, wait a minute, we had a great time.

 

Mallory Gordon  10:38

Yeah. And it’s an adventure, right? And again, it’s all what you make of it. Yeah, not every experience is gonna be great. But some places definitely magical.

 

Mickey Gordon  10:48

Yeah. And I think you have a pretty good point there that it just depends, you know, on who you meet, and the people you get in with, and you find your tribe and worm.

 

Mallory Gordon  10:56

There, you’re off to the races, you’re off to the races. So

 

Mickey Gordon  10:58

let’s talk a little bit more about Harry. So what is he right? If you see Harry, if you happen to go to Hito? And they’re like, Oh, that’s Harry and they point at him.

 

Mallory Gordon  11:05

Go say hi. Yeah, he’s he’s totally personal. He’s down to earth. He’ll have a conversation with anyone. He may have a schedule to keep so if he doesn’t talk very long.

 

Mickey Gordon  11:15

Yeah. And you know, thinks you’re hot or your wife is out. He might hang out longer. He’s this fingering chief after all, but you know, for 11 the ladies he’s so respectful. He’s not one of those is going to hit on your wife. He won’t do that. Now.

 

Mallory Gordon  11:28

he’s a he’s a total romantic he like he said, it’s an interview, which you’ll hear. He waits to be approached, which I thought was really cool. Yeah, he

 

Mickey Gordon  11:36

does not just jump in there and be like, Hey, baby. Yeah, do that. He’s not creepy at all. He’s just awesome. We love Harry. He’s a ballroom dancer. So you know, Mallory’s a fan

 

Mallory Gordon  11:47

I am.

 

Mickey Gordon  11:49

But you know, he’s also really, really smart business financial. He can talk about just about anything. He travels the world. He alternates between Tokyo and Miami when he’s not a Hito. dude’s just, I mean, he’s, he’s basically the inner now that Hugh Hefner is not with us anymore. He’s probably the next closest thing.

 

Mallory Gordon  12:07

Yeah.

 

Mickey Gordon  12:09

Yeah, that’s kind of where he’s at. But generally speaking, that’s it that’s what we’re doing guys. We’re gonna release this on a Wednesday and come back to you guys next week with a recap of our trip to hedonism two, which is going to be fun. I think you guys will get a kick out of it and throw in a little extra flavor there for some of the cool stuff that we got into because we did bring home a naughty stories. So

 

Mallory Gordon  12:30

yeah,

 

Mickey Gordon  12:31

yeah, somebody was bad, but are very, very good. Oh, she okay. I heard she was good. That wasn’t there. But we’ll talk about that. And a few other things that are recap next week, but this is releasing on a Wednesday it is the last in that three part series and we’ll get back to our regular cadence starting next Wednesday. Mallory, why don’t you tell everybody where they can find us? And we’ll get out of here.

 

Mallory Gordon  12:52

awesome sauce, guys. So we are casuals. We’re everywhere. You can find us on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, SLS STC in casti.com. Be sure to check us out at casual swinger Comm. And if you have any feedback questions or want to contact us reach out at podcast at casual swinger.com

 

Mickey Gordon  13:11

She is always better at that than I am. Hopefully by now you guys know where to find us and leave us a review. If you get a chance at iTunes. We really really love those reviews. And we’ll be back with Harry Lang for living history of unionism too. You’re listening to casual swinger casual swinger. You’re listening to swingers who talk. Welcome back everybody to casual swinger. I’m Mickey.

 

Mallory Gordon  13:46

I’m Mallory,

 

Mickey Gordon  13:46

and we have for you something we’ve looked forward to since the day we started this show, we have a special guest by the name of Harry Lang. Harry, how are you today? I’m pretty good. How you doing Mickey? Super, you know, we just got home from Quito, where we got to see you. Mallory’s a little sad. You guys didn’t get to dance this time.

 

Mallory Gordon  14:07

I know. I missed that.

 

Mickey Gordon  14:09

Right. So the next time right,

 

Harry Lange  14:11

I don’t know how we miss that. sort of worked out. Just left. You know, a few days ago myself. I’ll be back again tomorrow.

 

Mickey Gordon  14:19

Right? Yes, that’s like your Well, we all call it our home away from home but is legitimately your home away from home. Right?

 

Harry Lange  14:26

Well, definitely my home. That’s the place I spend 90% of my time. Oh,

 

Mickey Gordon  14:30

wow. We’re gonna get into that a little bit. So I want to remind our listeners, so we talked about a little bit in the intro, but Mallory brought pack a good case of what we call the Hito credit, which means we kiss and hug on everybody. So anybody that has anything, but she it actually turned into bronchitis. So if you’re her coughing, forgive her. It’s bad broadcaster etiquette, but she was not missing this interview to marry

 

Mallory Gordon  14:53

no chance and I’ll try to hide them to the table.

 

Harry Lange  14:56

So why my recommendations would be like me if you’re there all the time. As the most so some immunity to things so I don’t ever come home with anything.

 

Mickey Gordon  15:04

Go more often. That’s the answer from the man right there more often that’s the answer.

 

Mallory Gordon  15:08

I’ll need that in a prescription, please.

 

Mickey Gordon  15:11

So, um, you know, we’ve got a few questions here for you. And you know, we try to keep these interviews to 45 minutes. But there’s so many things we want to ask you. I mean, Harry Lang, financial legend, Magellan fund fidelity. Huge, right, you’re a dancer, you’re a business owner. And last of all, you’re a swinger. So we want our listeners to know more about you. We’re gonna get into what you did and why you’re so damn important to us. But tell us how you found yourself to become a guest at hedonism, too. And what made it so important for you?

 

Harry Lange  15:43

Well, I see it’s kind of a funny story, as I said, Never heard of hedonism. 15 years ago and next girlfriend of mine tricked me to go there. She thought because I was fidelity. I’m so conservative, business type person that would never agree. So she told me Let’s go golfing in Montego Bay. And then she got me to go to Rick’s cafe. She knew the hedonism bowl go by and then she says, hey, let’s get the knipex us thing. Later, I told her you wouldn’t have had to trick me I would have gone from day one. Found it through it follows an old girlfriend. No way. That’s a great salad. And I love the rice from those first moment I said she wouldn’t have had to trick me that would have gone forward and ever since then my favorite place in the world.

 

Mallory Gordon  16:26

Yeah, so kind of fit like a glove for you then.

 

Mickey Gordon  16:29

You know, I that’s for sure. I you know, our listeners know all about this, Harry. But I I talked Mallory into it. I was like, Look, I said there’s this place I go. And we were first dating. And I made the mistake of telling her you’d make a great swinger. And she almost punched me in the face. And then, you know, I’m like, literally, I go, I go to this place called Nene ism to I love it. It’s it’s home for me. And I gave her Christy Antilles book. And when she put it down, she said, when do we leave, and you know, it was home for her immediately to it. So and that’s how I knew this is a girl for me, either married or quick.

 

Harry Lange  17:03

As soon as enough, it’s considered a woman’s world, you know, something like 55% of the time the the first visit is arranged by the male and a couple. But then after that, by third on, it’s actually more likely the woman becomes really a woman’s place. Sometimes men wonder what they were asking for are begging for.

 

Mallory Gordon  17:22

That’s true, though. It’s very empowering. As a woman, they’re like, I’d never feel better about myself, my environment and life in general, as I do when I’m there.

 

Harry Lange  17:32

And you said that I really do want to say like women rebel like 70% of the other world, but there’s 100%. And I think it is empowering to women, because maybe you’re very powerful. You’re a cheerleader, in high school in college, and then maybe a couple of kids again, a couple of pounds, and you think you’re not attractive, also nice. And everybody’s looking at you and wanting you it really is I think empowering for women.

 

Mickey Gordon  17:55

And that’s one of my favorite things about Hito in general is we get there and I look at this woman that I see every day. And I think she’s beautiful. And I tell her she’s beautiful. And she believes me right? But there’s nothing better than you know 6080 men going god you’re amazing god you’re funny god you’re beautiful. And and it happens to all of them. Every woman I see whether she works for the resort, or whether she’s you know somebody else’s wife, my greeting the dentist. Hey, beautiful How you doing today? Because that’s how I see him. And I think you see him the same way. Right?

 

Harry Lange  18:29

Yeah, the same in the physical beauty. But the interior beauty to have other people go to here. They’re just very open minded and friendly is anything so you have an internal beauty besides the external beauty and beauty can be of all sizes, and she isn’t religion and everything. So it really is the most open place in the world, I think.

 

Mickey Gordon  18:51

Yeah, no politics allowed, right? No, no. Tell me. I mean, you traveled first with the fluffs. You you were you were a fluffer at least at some point. And how many times did you go before you know the opportunity availed itself because, by the way, just so you remember, we this is the third part in a series we call a living history of hedonism, too. So we’ve talked to Howard who’s been there a million times, we talked to john who was part of the original ownership group, and had a million in one good things to say about you. I’m pretty sure he’s the founder of the Harry Lang fan club. But so what was your favorite part about Hito that made you a repeater? And how long did you come before you decided I need to make sure this lives on and I’m going to I’m going to invest to make sure it happens.

 

Harry Lange  19:37

I’ve done that leave us eight years. And I was fluffing it as I said the first three or four times only with the fluff or not is because it has to be also be my birthday. February 25 also always fell on the floor for another week and I had a lot of good friends as I always want there and then later I expanded so I think it was a total of like 15 times over eight years. You know first initially is just one time of year for the fluffers and patient be a second time. Third time. And that’s kind of a typical pattern for people. And it actually is only 15 times so it’s a time decided to buy it, which made you actually a relative newcomer, compared to a lot of people. That’s true. Oh, well, you’ve

 

Mickey Gordon  20:15

since caught up.

 

Harry Lange  20:17

So I’ve got a folder, only a few people, some few there are a few people, including Howard has still been there more days than I have, I think, but I’m catching up really fast.

 

Mallory Gordon  20:26

I was gonna say at this point, you’re definitely on the fast track. So tell us about that moment that you knew hedonism was the right move for you owning it.

 

Harry Lange  20:38

When you say revised thought it was that. And Jen Grosso from foster is the first one that brought it up one time we were drunk in the pool and say, hey, let’s buy this place. And I was just joking. Oh, yeah, that’s fine. I have no idea who the owner was I management or anything he did, though. So yes, yes, the owner what kind of price it was, you know, the people from Johnny’s from SuperClubs and to sa get a full price thing, and there’s no way I could afford it. And I couldn’t do something like that when I was still working at fidelity, a conservative company. So we laughed it off. But then another theory came to me said, you know, what, really is to say all now you were more of a bank kind of bargain price. And so I jumped at that. It turned out perfectly because I’d already retired from fidelity and, and got my payout. So really worked out. I never thought I was even possible. But anytime in my whole life for the last 15 years, they say goodbye, that would have just timing was perfect. Oh, that’s awesome.

 

Mallory Gordon  21:36

Yeah, we’re very grateful that happened. Because, you know, that was a critical point for the resort. I mean, it could have gone to just about anybody if it was up for sale in that in that fashion. And for all we know, it could have been another sandals or beaches. And then it was just as close

 

Harry Lange  21:51

was bidding yesterday, I was bidding against sandals and Ritz Carlton and the sunwing Airlines, one of the Delta Royalton and a couple others, but there’s no other like lifestyle friendly, bitter. I use this one that had zero income. But we’ve been trying now is just sold for the real estate, right?

 

Mickey Gordon  22:12

Yeah, cuz I had this, I was choosing me my greatest investment in the world, financially. But that’s my passion. And if I didn’t step in and buy it, it would have gone away for sure. So you just use the word that is so pivotal and critical in my world, in my life is passion. I think that if you do something you’re passionate about, and you put your heart into it, money will follow. Right? And in fact, you probably knew you knew that man, this may not be the best idea in the world. But you were so damn passionate about it, you felt like you had to do it. And we’ve had a lot of conversations leading up to this interview, which probably feels weird from your perspective, because we went in and learned about you and we do this Don’t Don’t you know, we’re not creepers or anything. We need a little, maybe a little. But we do this for anybody. That’s okay. Yeah, you know, where we party. But you know, we wanted to learn more about you from other people, how you were perceived what people, you know, how, basically who you are, from an outward perspective, before we let you tell your story. And we talked to guests, we talked to partners of yours employees, we did homework on the internet, because you are a public figure. And the overwhelming theme that came out of it was this massive improvement to employee morale and their love of working for you some quotes that I got from people that work for you that I’m not going to use their names, so you can’t go back and hug them and tell them how awesome they are. Because this was totally unsolicited, great boss, wonderful manager, we love Harry, just a few of the things we heard. So I want to know about your management style, and why the employees were the key and your turnaround strategy for hedonism, too, because a lot of people would just go in and upgrade the facilities and go Come get naked and talk to each other. But that’s not what happens at Hito. So why were they your key? And what did you do to really do that?

 

Harry Lange  23:57

Well, this in eight years, I got to know a lot of them and really do feel almost like family to me, so I care about them. I don’t treat them just like slaves or whatever, or replaceable or anything like that. So I care about them try to learn about their families. And then if they screw up, they’re not gonna get fired on the spot. You know, we give people second third chances and compensation I did raise that and twice a year, I give a $100 cash bonus as a gift to them. That’s just the fact that you know, treat them like people that might have numbers or whatever just paid staff and, and also the fact that I’m just around all the time, they can talk to me if they have some issue or some problem. They can talk to them. How often do you get to see the CEO owner of the company is hanging out all the time. So I think there are a lot of reasons that they really want to work at hedonism. That’s, that’s awesome. And just for our listeners, there was a little audio break up there. We’re doing this over cellular so these things happen sometimes but what he said was that he does $100 cash bonus twice a year for these guys around Christmas time is that right here? Well, one time around Christmastime one time in August before the school year starts, because our staff have to buy uniforms for and pay a little bit trician for their kids in school.

 

Mallory Gordon  25:17

Yeah, that’s true because they don’t have the benefit of free public schooling through, you know, the, the the entire leg of, you know, what we call traditional school where you go kindergarten through 12th grade. And so they actually have to pay for tuition and uniforms and school supplies. And it’s, it’s very expensive.

 

Mickey Gordon  25:36

And some of the groups make a big impact there too, right? Because they bring down school supplies and backpacks and things like that, not only for the employees, but for some of the residents of Jamaica, is that correct?

 

Harry Lange  25:46

Oh, that’s definitely true. Because we have so many repeat guests, and they, they think of themselves Wasn’t he was also part of the community so so bring down things that come year after year, to bring down supplies, right for our staff and for the community, some support to local schools and things like that. So we really want to have a positive impact on on the community. One thing back on the staff that is so amazing now that To be honest, they were actually pretty amazing. Even when the place was rundown. I think your attitude and loyalty is even gone way further now. But they were actually really good to start with, there’s no way would have bought it if the staff was good to start with.

 

Mallory Gordon  26:28

Love it. So as it’s now you’ve already invested, you know, probably millions into this resort and effort to like upgrade, and repair the facilities, some of which that are probably needed at this point. What do you think had the bigger impact at the resort for the customer experience was that the investment in employee morale or the facilities or evenly spread?

 

Harry Lange  26:53

more evenly spread? Because the facilities were so bad? I think a lot of people wouldn’t have come back. But I think it’s the employee morale and enthusiasm of the staff to really keep some coming. So I think to retain them, I think he had to upgrade this facility with the staff is what makes them come back.

 

Mallory Gordon  27:10

I have to agree with you. There’s no better feeling than getting off that bus and walking up into the lobby and seeing you know, five or six familiar faces, and you’re getting hugs, and they remember your name.

 

Mickey Gordon  27:20

Oh, very much same when we got off the bus. And I mean, granted, you know, I’m a pretty visible figure when I’m down there. It’s hard to miss me. But yeah, that’s true. But, I mean, Michael saw me and we hadn’t seen each other in like three or four days. Like he just wasn’t there. And I’m talking about that. He’s in charge of Bell services, Michael. And he comes running up to me and he goes, When did you get here? And I was four days ago, and you didn’t find me and He gives me this giant bear hug. He lifted me off the ground. And lifting me off the ground is no small order.

 

Harry Lange  27:52

Okay, so but so Steph has amazing memory. Yeah, like, he probably thought like elden and the piano bar. Remember this everybody’s name and drank is unreal for years that one counselor only have ever been the hedonism one time, three years ago. And they showed up this year, after not seeing three years and only seen a one time, he immediately knew their name and their drink. If I’d never cut it as a bartender, that’s I have to be owner and CEO.

 

Mickey Gordon  28:20

You know, it’s funny, I walked into the piano bar, and not only does elden remember my real name, but he remembers my name on the show. And so and he’s like, I’m not calling you by a fake name. And he comes around the bar and gives me a hug. And he had my drink in his hand. And I’m like, I don’t get it. I don’t get it at all how you do what you do. And, you know, I actually, I pissed off one of the bartenders because I got him in trouble because it was the piano bar and it was empty. We were setting up for cocktail hour. And I walked around, just grab myself a drink because I was dying. And nobody was there. And his boss walked in with him. It wasn’t elden it was it was another bartender. And he was mad at me for like two days. He’s like, You’re lucky I like you. It’s like, I know, I got you in trouble. I said I didn’t think I was gonna get caught. But I did. So you’re not supposed to do that. Guys don’t you know, let the employees do their job that was bad on me. But tell me something about these employees that we that we love so much. What’s their average tenure like? And because we talked about people like Paulette, or Michael or Donna, they’ve been there ever? Why did they stay so long?

 

Harry Lange  29:27

There There are a lot of several benefits 15 or 20 years I’d say the average might be even a 10 year kind of rains, the tenure that entertainers are a little bit shorter because that’s such hard work and you can’t just do splits and headstands your whole life and quite often the the entertainers work for three years, maybe four years and and then they go on they save a lot of money because entertainers live on site. They earn a great salary so they can save up and that’s usually how they start a family or go to college. Are you a better life? So there’s sort of an F, kind of by design. But the other staff I found, I guess, the 510 year average, Mr.

 

Mickey Gordon  30:09

Which is crazy. And so interesting note, and I’ve noticed this is this is new in my vision, and maybe it’s by design. But I’ve seen a lot of ECS that have graduated into other roles in the resort people like Adrian, people like Denise, right, they’ve actually moved up in the organization to doing other things.

 

Harry Lange  30:30

Right? If they’re, if they don’t have plans to go to college or go overseas or anything like that, then yes, we offer attractive career paths I didn’t go into this is the front desk or special events, all these different things. So we do have our true path for entertainers and other people to show real the skills that we need. What do you guys look for in

 

Mickey Gordon  30:53

an employee when somebody comes up and goes, I’m the guy, the girl I want to work at hedonism to what’s what are the what are the features you look for in a person? For the number one, it

 

Harry Lange  31:01

has to be just a good smile, enthusiasm, you know, eager to serve guests. That’s way more important to us actually. Then work history, I worked at sandals for years or somewhere else three years, that’s not quite as important because we can train a lot of the skills but you have to come in with really positive attitude, your hard work good words to expect that you will show up on time every day. And just be someone will be out there and the guests will love.

 

Mallory Gordon  31:30

I love that question. Because I I automatically assumed we were talking about this with the plane that the prerequisite has to be their disposition and that that kindness and that that positivity that all the employees we run into, just exude, it’s like they glow with it.

 

Harry Lange  31:47

We have a lot of people that job for the first time we’ve never worked in the service industry at all. It is more that enthusiasm and that spirit that really count more than number of years at something rather,

 

Mickey Gordon  31:58

I noticed some interns there for the first time. Is that new to heat? Oh,

 

Harry Lange  32:05

it’s fairly new. Yes, that people that that we give a chance to that really don’t have any prerequisite anything we’re not sure. Maybe if they haven’t worked even at all for a company. So maybe we do have a few interns just for test to know. But in general, we can know from the start. So in turn is fairly new and it’s not going to be a major part of our hiring. Okay,

 

Mickey Gordon  32:29

I met a kid named Michael who tall kid real skinny, very young, loved, loved him. loved him.

 

Mallory Gordon  32:35

Yeah, great. He was fantastic.

 

Harry Lange  32:38

So someone to do like that they’ll be easy won’t be in turn for law and they’ll be full time.

 

Mallory Gordon  32:43

So something that I noticed this last trip and I don’t know why it never occurred to me that there’s very few x packs that live in Jamaica. Do you think that’s changing with some of the foreign foreign investments in the island in Jamaica? And do you do you see this is a good thing.

 

Harry Lange  33:03

For real love, the investment now is mostly coming from the Spanish and now from the Chinese Chinese buy biggest from Spain second. And they do bring in a lot of expats. We actually rather hire locals. The unemployment rate is so high in Jamaican jobs like ours are really precious premium jobs. So we’d rather stay in good stead with the government say we’re Jamaicans so we actually have no expense at all working at hedonism family my sister in law and brother work there but as a family, but in terms of outside No, we’re 100% Jamaican i think that that does as well as the government there are a lot of skills for Jamaicans we really don’t need expats to come out. And so there was a time I took over there 260 staff, another 4030. So I’ve added 170 net jobs, all for Jamaicans, wow, that really keeps me in good with the government and community and everything.

 

Mickey Gordon  34:05

That is awesome. And then of all that. So that is probably the first part of the the next question. That’s going to be an incident. Next question, because I wanted to know, as a manager, as a CEO, what do you think are the key investments you made? And I was gonna say facilities, but in hedonism, what are some of those key investments he made? And obviously, you know, 170 people is definitely a key investment. But what about, you know, in addition to those people, and maybe management structure, what are some of the other investments you made both facilities and in people and are you willing to talk about any investments in the future you’re thinking about?

 

Harry Lange  34:44

Or we talked about right investing on staff and giving new jobs and higher salaries and also started a pension plan or now everybody has no percentage their income goes into 100% company funded pension plan for them. So that’s usually when retire Even quit or whatever, they have some money built up. But that’s kind of rare and on the island, but in terms of just the facilities, one of the cheapest things I did, but people love is heating the swimming pool that I noticed I noticed simple thing.

 

Mickey Gordon  35:16

Yeah, I noticed there were people in the pool in February at night, that has never happened. And since I’ve been doing it 18 years, I’ve never seen people in February in the pool at night. And it’s not anybody that was sober.

 

Harry Lange  35:28

Right. I think it’s two years and two months ago that finally he did the pool for the first time that made a huge difference. So you can use it day and night and have a really good control over it now too. I can go from 86 degrees when it’s really hot outside to 90 degrees when it’s colder outside. So now we can actually fine tune it as well. So the heated pool has been a big plus people like the rooms have now upgraded 100% of the rooms. And that’s a huge upgrade if anyone knows the old days versus now. Yeah, showers at work and hot water and TV, phone, Wi Fi everything that didn’t have any of that at the time I took over so I mean, we had TVs but they didn’t work for

 

Mickey Gordon  36:10

  1. I don’t think well if you’re doing it right, you’re not turning on the TV. Hito anyway, right? Number one? Well, they’re like, No, I have porn channels. Well, but there’s a mirror of his ceiling, you should be making your own porn, which I granted those mirrors are still the funhouse mirrors from back in the day for some of those rooms. They’re hilarious, but it’s still sexy as hell to watch you put on your own show with whatever

 

Harry Lange  36:32

friend like some of the old mirrors on the thing hasn’t. Sometimes that’s where there wasn’t a TV in my room, if I bang my head on it, so that’s the only time I noticed the TV. Right? There’s no reason to watch TV there.

 

Mickey Gordon  36:44

Now there isn’t and I gotta tell you that the upgrades to the rooms from a guest perspective, not that she give a flying shit what i think but I love them. I took a picture of Mallory behind that frosted glass door with a red red light. Oh shit, that’s a sexy picture. I’m gonna post that for our listeners. I think that’s the Noriega says good.

 

Mallory Gordon  37:03

Yeah, that’s one of the new must do pics hero, I think along with the the sign that’s out on the dock.

 

Mickey Gordon  37:10

Oh, the sign in the bridge, the sign the bridge. And now the frosted glass picture. Because I know that’s a little off brand for our images. our listeners know that. Most of our pictures we post are black and white. It’s kind of a thing we do. But this picture is so good. I think I’m gonna have to post it off brand because it’s just really good. OS X. Yeah, but Well,

 

Harry Lange  37:27

there’s all these all these rooms, all these all these room upgrades are done just for my brother Richard his lifetime and myself had no outside architects or side designers we did ourselves, my brothers when it came up for the red light, red light ID and I thought that was pretty brilliant.

 

Mickey Gordon  37:42

Oh, it’s fantastic. And it really does light the room fairly well with a light you can use once your eyes get used to it. So you can leave it on not banging your toes on your luggage. And you can also see who it is you’re fucking which is awesome. So I look and I tell

 

Harry Lange  38:00

you go ahead that in the steam in the shower, make some pretty sexy sex scenes, steam shower, the red light and things like that makes a great civil EPS. And yeah, that’s pretty hot. This is this is why we have to talk to her because I didn’t think of this theme. Now we got to go back to Hito and do this like immediately. But you know, in the premium rooms,

 

Mickey Gordon  38:22

you guys have a really neat, backlit mirror on the ceiling, which is really cool too. Whose idea was that?

 

Harry Lange  38:31

Dan, one of our guests does that he does LED lighting and things like that. So he did do that. And by the way, in terms of premium rooms, those were done. four to four naturals ago. So now relative to the regular rooms, they’re a little more outdated. So that’s what we’re going to work on by next season. You’ll see more premium in the premium rooms, but we’ll keep that LED lighting behind the mirror.

 

Mickey Gordon  38:53

Yeah, super cool. I think Dan’s a member of our group. Actually, we just saw him a couple days ago. So pretty wicked. So let’s get into cuz, you know, this episode is called swinger in chief. And you are one of the most fun dudes on the planet to party with. So let’s talk lifestyle for a little bit as a swinger in chief, the life of the party, and you do it all as a guest. Right? When you and I saw each other just a couple of days ago, I walked up to you and you were checking out. And I was shocked. And I shouldn’t have been because I know a lot of things about you, right? But you were paying your tab. You had a bill. And I’m like, holy shit, this guy owns a joint and he’s paying his bill. Like why do you pay your bill and you’re like, cuz I pay like everybody else. And then in my conversations, I found out you ride the bus to and from their resort, just like everybody else. You don’t take a private car. You don’t take Tim air. And the room you have there is not a premium room. It’s a regular room just like everybody else. And I’m like, Wow, that is how you CEO if you really want people to respect you. So tell us how you separate being the CEO and being a guest and PR Why do you love being a guest there?

 

Harry Lange  40:04

As you say, I do exactly the same thing as the guests. So, yeah, ride the bus and I do take whatever the best room is available. I don’t keep the same room all the time. When I check out, I check out check out my stuff and I go back again see whatever other rooms available. So I do get to see a lot of different types of rooms, sometimes their premium but usually not. And between being guests and CEO, the only thing is, as a swinger being CEO, I get to feel a little bit like Hugh Hefner, yes, I get way more opportunities as a regular guest. But on the other hand, I have to be more careful because I can’t afford to have someone write off my comment card or TripAdvisor that the CO owner was trying to hit on my wife and appropriately so I have to be way more careful. I was. I can’t wait to be approached rather than approaching people that otherwise I act the same as it was a guest was a guest is my favorite place in the world. Now I own the best playground. How come I can’t play in the sandbox too? That’s awesome.

 

Mallory Gordon  41:04

I love it. So since we brought up lifestyle, how long have you been a part of it?

 

Harry Lange  41:11

I think it was about 15 years, something like that. Yeah, the woman who brought me to Quito, also took me to funfair to Amsterdam, so she kind of brought me in. I said it wasn’t kicking and screaming,

 

Mallory Gordon  41:24

I was gonna say you’re holding hands skipping along.

 

Mickey Gordon  41:29

In terms of lifestyle and your approach to the lifestyle. I know, like you just said it’s changed, you kind of have to wait to be approached before you can really engage in those kind of conversations. And that makes perfect sense. Right? It makes a ton of sense to me. You know, Mallory and I tell a story. And when they ask about the safety in Jamaica and things like that, that the only asshole we ever met at Hito was an American. And he was one that was claiming to be the owner of the resort when we met him. And we knew damn well he wasn’t because we knew john, we knew who you were and, and we’re like, yeah, you’re not that guy. So that was not awesome. But you know, in our conversations, as I was asking about Harry Lang the swinger in Harry Lang you know, the the lifestyler this theme came out. And the theme was that Harry’s a hopeless romantic and a quote that somebody gave to me as a lady and Harry’s life feels like the most special girl in the world. So is that the secret to your success and the lifestyle and what else do you think a guy has to do on the little Levin?

 

Harry Lange  42:28

I think that is a big part of it. Yeah, at the moment it is I convinced myself that she is the only thing my life at that time and she’s most beautiful object have ever seen. So like to kiss her dresser dance with her and make her feel special because I feel special being left there. So that’s how I’ve always operated and then no one would like it.

 

Mallory Gordon  42:53

Women women love it. I will tell you that Yeah, I have a undivided attention to be cared for. And, and shown that much love especially in a short amount of time because everything’s kind of heightened especially when you’re a Hito. And it’s it’s amped up so yeah,

 

Mickey Gordon  43:08

well, paradise for add to rate. So you’re like, squirrel, squirrel. But when you can give somebody your undivided attention the way you do, it’s gonna make them feel like a million dollars.

 

Harry Lange  43:18

I’d like to do a slower and easier read preference way as as I definitely thought the pool and maybe a night and then on the forum front of the stage, and now just yeah. Talk to them. That way, no, that’s really my style. And I wouldn’t matter if that worked better or not. That’s my style.

 

Mickey Gordon  43:38

I love it.

 

Mallory Gordon  43:39

Perfect. Absolutely perfect. So I mean, being being in this environment and being in a lifestyle. Do you think couples actually have an easier time breaking through the barriers at Hito? And do you have any advice on how to knock them down?

 

Harry Lange  43:57

And that’s the last this last part. How to the first party well answer that first is I think that is enough. You have to vironment too, if you’re a swinger too, and you want to do like a full file, let’s try the best environment ever because during the daytime, in the pool of people naked partying and and they can start touching or kissing a little bit and stuff of that might lead to something later. As a contrast, I was on a swinger cruise and there’s a Hito couple and then as a German Council and is on a cruise you’re not allowed to touch. And you’re not even allowed to be naked, that awesome. So they were talking about lifestyle and how many years they’ve been in it. And the keto couple invited the German couple back to their room like 11am. And they have the candles and the lube and the music all set for a little fling reaction. And the German couple came in with backpacks. They thought they’re gonna go up to the excursion that day, so Oh, my God, we’re, oh my gosh, that wouldn’t happen at Hito because you can kind of test the waters. You know, the best way is if you really want to hook So this couple fingernails are full. And a woman kind of approaches the other woman and maybe kisses are touched a little bit that’s going well and they get response and see they touch the other man a little bit to see how it goes. But you can test the waters. So that you hook up for five swingers, when you’re in a kind of test to see who’s going to rewrite that rather than just anyone come back to a room and you don’t really know enough what other people turn them on or anything about that. So I think it’s actually the easiest environment to for helpful to the swingers.

 

Mickey Gordon  45:36

So and that’s those are certainly, you know, those are social barriers, which I mean, that’s hilarious. For starters, I’m gonna remember that story for a while. But there’s, you know, there’s physical barriers, if you think about it, too, when you go to a swing club, you’ve got, let’s say, you get there at 9pm. The place closes at 3am you got a definitive period to meet people get to know them decide in Well, first of all, if you want to see them naked, which Hito you already have, right? So there’s a definitive, you’ve got some time barriers, you’ve got social barriers, physical barriers, heat overcomes all of those, I think, right?

 

Harry Lange  46:12

Right, like a fan club with some now it’s funny, I went to heal before ever then it was fan club. So now I’m kind of backfilling my going to sound but you’re right over that night, if you don’t get settled. 10 or 11, then they’re dancing and talking till fall Overwatch is getting near the end of the time. So invite people back. And if they do end up poking out, that’s kind of you don’t even get to know them. I don’t use to my romantic move at all. It’s just,

 

Mickey Gordon  46:39

it’s like shit or get off the pot.

 

Harry Lange  46:40

This is so quick. This is just a quick physical action. If it does look up in general. I mean, there are other cases I’m sure too.

 

Mickey Gordon  46:48

It’s just not as much fun. So let’s talk about nerves for a minute. I think nerves play a huge part. We did an episode recently. We’ve talked about it a bunch because it was hit such a chord with our listeners, but fear, uncertainty and doubt which nerves play into that. So you know, dinners play a factor for you, number one, and how do you think couples can deal with their nerves whether their nerves are going to heal even if they’re not lifestyle? Right? Because not everybody goes to heals lifestyle? And how do they conquer those?

 

Harry Lange  47:19

But I guess one of the things people have to know is that not all swingers are talking about this this man or woman O’Reilly figure out this style of observation is maybe 1/3 of the I guess there are real hardcore swingers, if they don’t hook up another coupler saying there’s something to be disappointed, then they’re both 1/3 that would consider it the right situation or their any like light, firstly, a soft spot for touching or kissing kind of thing. And then there are 1/3 that we don’t participate in at all, they just liked the environment. They liked that sexy, the shows and a little bit exhibitionist or things like that. But it’s 1/3 of saying under any circumstances, that’s kind of on the average. So some months or more, some weeks are more or less. But overall, that’s I figured after seeing 10s of 1000s of guests how I’d break it down so people shouldn’t really be nervous. You don’t even have to be naked, you can show from a clothing optional side the whole week. You don’t have to be naked every article saying I want to touch anyone. So how I tell couples to do is before you go, he said make a little some rules, you have a little bit of this is gonna be okay, that’s not okay. This is kind of my fantasy. This is my limits. And you stick with that for the first couple days you don’t get overly drunk and violate those rules. And then general a couple of days, revise it, maybe you want to be more restricted, they might be more open, maybe you have new fantasies, things like that. So comfortable working out together can really make it work out whether they want to be slayers don’t want to be slinger, is just like to see the lifestyle. That’s not scary at all that people worry about being scary, doesn’t scare that they’re gonna be big orgies are forced to do stuff. And once they get there, they’ll say this is probably the easiest, most non threatening environment you’ll ever see. I can

 

Mallory Gordon  49:11

attest to that, because I actually feel like going to a regular bar as a girl if I show up alone, that there’s a lot more unwanted interaction and an environment like that then at swing clubs or a Hito Hito it’s I feel safer than I do anywhere else in the world.

 

Harry Lange  49:30

Right and he knows um, I said there are a lot of swingers meet a third party like me that really wants to swing but we have plenty of other people to swing with. We don’t need to try to press it somebody that’s not into it or not sure. You know, so Yeah, there is. So there really isn’t any pressure.

 

Mallory Gordon  49:48

Love it. So I mean, you’ve been going to hedonism over 15 years you own it. Do you have any advice for our listeners that are considering to go on how to pick their week, you know, or You know the time of year and and the vibe

 

Harry Lange  50:06

is always the toughest one because that’s the number one question I get from newcomers assess the best speak to go on our website, www dot hedonism calm if you look under events you can see all if you click on that they’ll tell a little bit more about what they’re like. They’re know for young people they’re young swingers for the average age is 32. Which up to bubbly bears. backtracks, fluffer knows they’re probably the older group savages over 50. Overall, the average is around 48. But if you look on the site, you get a little bit of idea. It’s younger if it’s more swinger, and I’d like he does a lot of places January’s for 30 square miles. So a lot higher percentage in January. And if he does was busier from kind of Halloween until middle of May, so it’s gonna be pretty much 100% full all the time. So if you Well, if you go during the season, if you want to a little bit quieter, then May, June, August, September, the month for you to go because there won’t be 100% for what we pray all day. And you can maybe if you want to explore things, a little quieter environment, those are the months ago, but look at the individual events and click on the groups and they’ll tell a little bit about themselves. First of all, never say that they are boring or old or something like that. Right. So you have a little bit of idea of things that they’re into. Wow, that

 

Mickey Gordon  51:36

that’s that’s a great way to describe it. And, you know, you’ve alluded you know, to, you know, obviously the different age ranges for the groups and I think different groups do bring a different flavor to the resort right? I mean, when we talk about why SW youngsters weak, you know, that’s that’s a little more hardcore, but with younger people, you’re going to have a little more drama, it happens with your older people, it’s going to be a little more subdued. You’ve got guys like the dirty pervs who throw an insane party. Right. You’ve got the group they we travel with Rachel’s rascals who we throw a pretty good party to I’d like to think. But we’re not only lifestyle, right? I mean, that’s just so it’s what are you really looking for? Do you want lifestyle? Do you want a party? Do you want subdued? When do you want to go? Alright, the first question I always ask people is, when do you want to go? Because that’s the first thing I need to know. When are you free when you have somebody to watch your kids? Right? And then we go from there? Are you lifestyle? Are you not right? I mean, it’s like a checklist. And I can almost,

 

Harry Lange  52:32

and then even if a certain month you can go each week will be quite different. And like you said, Rachel rascals, Jordan ferns. So pretty amazing parties will do fasteners, a few groups that do that. And then there’s like, why limit vacations? Which sounds like well, in the case of this little bit more woman woman a little bit more Newton lifestyle kind of group. So the other big, big variety that go there for sure. But yeah, you’re right, a checklist is pretty good. Because almost everyone I talked to the first time says what’s the best way to go? But there’s no way exam Central, you really understand the couple a lot better. Yeah,

 

Mickey Gordon  53:05

it’s the number one question we get to whether it be on Reddit or on our Twitter page or whatever. You know, we get a lot of questions about keto, because we talk about keto a lot. We go there a lot, right. We’re there three, four times a year. So we get a lot of questions about the resort. And that’s the number one question we get as well. So you’re not alone. I feel better. But you know, when when we talk about Hito. It said so frequently, that without the people, it Hito would be buildings on a beach. And there but in in even in the conversations with some of your employees leading up to this, there was a theme. And the theme was, there’s a magic to this place, and we don’t get it. We don’t know what it is. But there’s a magic of this place that relationships that are made on the beaches of Hito, or in the pool or wherever else. They seem so much more real, so visceral, and they last lifetimes. I mean, Mallory and I have met people at Hito. That will be friends, no matter where we meet when we meet. If it’s years before we see them again, that it’s some of the most powerful friendships over a lifetime. What do you think it is, as the CEO and the swinger in chief that makes Ito so damn special?

 

Harry Lange  54:13

No, it really is a magical place. I said people make lifetime friends. And if you ask a lot of the people that he knows them, the best friends in the world are once they met there, and there are a lot of reunions around the country. The biggest one is August every year, it was garrison beach, he called a sandy hook in a new jersey for I think like 500 people show up. So this he knows and also that people travel each other I’ve traveled to visit a lot of different guests in front of your comments. So you do become lifetime friends. If you do have a thing, if open minded and whether they’re new to swing or whatever. It’s really amazing to have people with the same kind of interest. So I think it’s kind of naturally some friends but and so find out Want to get if you haven’t been? Or even naked? I just know that any of these places that you talk to each other you think that when you’re naked you’d be kind of covering up or quiet but they’re just locked by a place like sandals or something where a couple of times and talk to each other at Hito very first time I bet you’ll talk to 50 100 people in your first couple days. Oh easily naked some opens up really shows off all the barriers that normally in society, you know, we have kind of a class system right? If you got Chanel purse or something and, but but hido when you’re naked, do you have to throw those things off? And we’ve got truck drivers, certain court judges, whatever everyone’s the same. Yeah, that’s really the magic about it. Everyone’s equal. And you can make real friends that way. You don’t feel this is upper class or lower class or whatever. You’d feel a lot of other. I just normal. That’s your normal. Yeah, I think he does normal. Vanilla world.

 

Mickey Gordon  55:55

I guess everyone’s equal my ass. I’ve seen some of the dicks around that pool. Oh.

 

Mallory Gordon  56:02

Well, in general, I couldn’t agree more we all the time. Like it is the great equalizer. And you don’t know till you go

 

Harry Lange  56:13

to corrections. And so far was said as some of the big parties Alex, you’re currently marred from topless, traveled and make fun of the best parties. Also, he doesn’t leave them out. They come several times a year. And then he’s Oh, I met compared to where I am in Miami. But overall, it’d be 45 to 50% of the total year so that 90% was inaccurate if I met Nathan the whole year.

 

Mickey Gordon  56:38

I don’t think anybody’s holding you to that. And you know, it’s funny. We have. Yeah, this is the third one in the series. And in the first two episodes of this series, parley and Mark came up both times. So they know we love them.

 

Mallory Gordon  56:50

Yeah, definitely. And we get to see him actually because they do events down here by us at a club called secrets. So about once a month once every other month, we actually get to run into them. I

 

Harry Lange  57:03

don’t know if you know, but actually own two years and secrets hideaway myself. See really nice. No, I didn’t know my pictures out there. Yeah, check it out. So if you do it here, are you fun? 43 144 right by the pool. It’s good spot.

 

Mallory Gordon  57:15

All right. Next time I’m there, I’m putting Boogie prints on your window.

 

Mickey Gordon  57:20

We’ll have to rent that room now. We’ll give them some more money we don’t give them.

 

Mallory Gordon  57:26

Oh, I love this so much. And going back to what you said I couldn’t agree more about the friendships and the people you meet there because we’re leaving on Friday to go to a rascal wedding with a couple we met three years ago on a trip. And I mean, it’s, yeah, there’s some of our closest friends, I hold

 

Mickey Gordon  57:41

the fucking rings and I have to go to their wedding in Iowa. It’s negative 25 right now. Good friends in the warm places. Great. Great.

 

Mallory Gordon  57:51

So can you talk about what’s next for the, for the hedonism brand. And or give us any insight on you know, there’s gonna be additional upgrades or expansions. And if you’re considering, you know, maybe looking into other resorts.

 

Harry Lange  58:08

The first thing to some of the things we’re doing next will be visible to everybody would be upgrading all the 36, the prior premium rooms, those of the upgrade by next season, while the other thing to do will be a little bit behind the scenes, so we’re gonna upgrade the kitchen, the electrical system, then we’re gonna do a lot more fun stuff. So one of the things that’s almost completed during the oldest quest courts are then called the social room. Now it’s the Kama Sutra palace. So it’s a very romantic place, and there’ll be Tantra classes in there and yoga and all the groups will be available to use it forever type of things, they want everything from BDSM, or whatever it is, but that’s going to be a really cool place. Now that’s gonna be ready in the next month or so. Well, I keep working on stuff in terms of the brand I do on a worldwide it’s kind of bad, that famous a brand that people around the world have alternative and only has one facility. But for me, this is enough that my daughter, it will take over if something ever happens to me and me if I’m still around. As soon as a medical doctor emergency medicine, and sees lifestyle or for the least 11 years. And she comes for young singers, we can survey again here in a couple of weeks. And so still takeovers will be more up to her the next generation do we want to have more hedonism resorts or maybe FM nightclubs around the US or something like that? So I’m pretty sure it’ll do something, but I want the next generation to decide not me.

 

Mickey Gordon  59:35

And it’s super cool. That, you know, the summit, you know, and we didn’t cover this here. We covered this in some of the other episodes, but you have made some some massive upgrades. And I think that one of my favorite thing about the upgrades is that they’re a little more sex forward. Right. I mean, things like the playroom which Mallory and I visited while we were there. And you know the bondage room which now I’m shopping for a bondage horse Which I never thought I would have in my house but are spanking horses to buy one of those damn things? Thank you Harry. But and you know other you know central type things like more play areas and I think they’re talking about a play area for the disco last I heard but you really have made play a part of the hedonism experience if you want it to be it’s not in your face, right? It’s not like right there like here’s our sex room. But I think that’s really really neat. There’s construction going on. So good

 

Harry Lange  1:00:30

all the time. Yeah, we’re the big construction is pretty much over but yeah, little things like that. That we have a playroom for us is open every night except for black which is the back of the spa which is really nice. It’s open air on one side and like you say a little bit of cross and a couple love slaying and things like that on the on the Now we also have a 24 seven little playroom behind the hot tub that brown building out the chance to check that out. I did got the seats tells Yeah, we have. That’s that’s all the time and and then this new kind of switch of palace will be playroom. It could be alternate when it’s raining, but it might actually open it every night, or even afternoon to I’m not sure yet how that will work out. But we want to make sure that if you have the urge, you don’t have to really wait to go to a play room that sometimes people come back after I can Cameron right. And they’re really worked up and we have places you can you have to wait till 1030 or 11 or something

 

Mickey Gordon  1:01:31

like that. Also, because when we talk about play if you want to go somewhere, and maybe you want it to be safer, right? Because maybe you don’t know this person that when we talk about the safety of women, if they maybe they want to do a hot wife thing, right? And they want to take a guy back and they don’t want to take them to their room, where do they take them and that play rooms are great for that. Because you have attendance in those play rooms. There’s there’s a person there that isn’t, you know, part of things, which that person also enforces the rules, like you have to be naked and you you know, you can’t bring in a cell phone and things like that. So there’s a lot of really great things that you guys are doing that that I call sex forward. And I love that and those that go ahead.

 

Harry Lange  1:02:13

Well, another thing for us if you notice in that playroom is that we have one huge matches in the middle, which should go on there, that means it doesn’t mean necessarily to play with someone else they can think about. And then we also have the little matches around the edge, which mean if you definitely don’t want to play somebody go on one of those. So it’s easy with the big one in the middle. I like that because there could be other couples on it. And as long as you have a safe distance away, it’s safe to jump on to that they also have a little individual matches for couples just want to be by themselves. They could change their mind and jump on the big one to

 

Mallory Gordon  1:02:44

exactly the crazy environment to you know, group, you know, be in a group environment when the consideration of whether you want to include or be watched or watch

 

Mickey Gordon  1:02:53

right and if you would like to be bit on the ass by a Jamaican mosquito under the stars, that is a great place to do it. I’d say it was a spray that’s me mosquitoes Vegas II okay. Yeah, it’s not too bad.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:03:06

You guys that this trip? No, it’s been It was great.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:03:09

And that was a great place to have sex under the stars and really central with the waterfalls and the pools and just it’s it’s super cool. Everybody knows we love Hito. But more importantly, you know, we love what you’ve done. So thank you from the bottom of our heart sinks from our show things from our listeners. Thanks for making time, right? I mean, we know how busy you are. We tried to track you down all week.

 

Harry Lange  1:03:31

No, no, I’m in Miami. I want more time. Right when I’m there a little bit more hectic. Yeah,

 

Mickey Gordon  1:03:36

a little bit but hairy

 

Harry Lange  1:03:38

stuff or play days. So whatever. Yeah, I’m pretty busy. But you know, that’s for sure.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:03:42

Yeah, there’s no question about it. We can’t wait to see you again. And we hope you had a great birthday last week. Hito.

 

Harry Lange  1:03:49

Yeah, and one of the more low key this time sometimes gets out of hand.

 

1:03:54

Sometimes it gets. Yeah, I

 

Mickey Gordon  1:03:55

think on your birthday, you came by our table and you’re like I’m looking for I think there’s four women in my room right now. Oh, no, I was like three, that number keeps going up. Well, ladies and gentlemen, this has been the swinger in chief. This is our interview with Harry Lang, CEO, owner and president of hedonism resorts. So hopefully this has been fun for you. And if we missed any of your questions, reach out to us. We’ll get them to Harry and hopefully get some of your questions answered from the man himself. Harry, thank you very much. Mallory. Why don’t you take us out tell people where they can find us.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:04:29

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Mickey Gordon  1:04:42

Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back right after this. You’ve been listening to casual swinger.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:04:58

Hey, guys, you’re listening to casuals And I’m Mallory,

 

Mickey Gordon  1:05:01

and I’m still Mickey. I’m a little less Tongue Tied than that went into that interview. But

 

Mallory Gordon  1:05:06

I’m glad there was a little quid pro quo there because the episode before that I stumbled,

 

Mickey Gordon  1:05:10

oh, I still have that blooper reel and I will release it one of these days we’ll do

 

Mallory Gordon  1:05:13

a blooper reel, like, intro or something one time. Yeah. So we hope you all enjoyed that conversation we had with Harry Lang. Great gentlemen. literally saved Hito he’s constantly investing in the property and the people and we’re just so lucky to have him on.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:05:28

I love that episode. I love that interview. I’ve been waiting to sit down and talk shop with Harry for a long time now and to be able to grab him and catch his attention. Of course we had to do it on a Sunday cuz he’s so busy, but right. Just a great guy. Of course. He’s going right back to Hito. Tomorrow.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:05:43

Yeah, lucky man. I Well, you buy your playground though.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:05:46

I mean, come on, you boy by your own playground. The sliding board is yours anytime you want to use or the swing set or whatever the fuck you want to call it, but I don’t think I said fuck the whole episode. So you know we’re gonna be back next Wednesday. And we’re going to talk a recap this hido trip without getting too crazy, but it’s actually a really cool episode because we did have some fun. Mallory had some fun.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:06:08

I had a lot of fun. met a lot of interesting folks. Alright, interesting. Dynamic. We hung

 

Mickey Gordon  1:06:13

out with the triads. kind of fun.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:06:16

Yeah, so a lot of lot of good stuff to talk about next week in a recap of the rascal wedding that we have and

 

Mickey Gordon  1:06:22

how many squirters can you fit under one roof?

 

Mallory Gordon  1:06:24

I don’t know. But I think I need to bring my goggles and a snorkel.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:06:28

Bring a wet suit. It’s gonna get ugly it’s gonna get ugly quick. We got 15 rascals and a house a bunch of them are lifestyle. We’re all spending the weekend together. I have no idea what’s gonna happen to be cold

 

Mallory Gordon  1:06:37

and shit. So I’ll be trapped in this house. Yeah,

 

Mickey Gordon  1:06:39

we’re not fucking leaving. Now went all the way there snowing all the way back to the airport. Hopefully

 

Mallory Gordon  1:06:44

the heat works so we could all be naked. Well, I

 

Mickey Gordon  1:06:46

just want you to be naked. I’ve been telling you all day that I’m going to jump that so this is coming but guys, this is been a really good time. We hope you’ve enjoyed it too. We’re already past our hour. So I will let Mallory take us out here but folks Hope you enjoyed it. This has been a living history of hedonism to Mallory, what do you got?

 

Mallory Gordon  1:07:04

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Mickey Gordon  1:07:30

Yeah, she loves your love of seeing her do it. Guys, thanks a lot. You’ve been listening to casual swinger.

 

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