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SE03E20 – Playstyle Dynamics_mixdown

Fri, 8/27 5:28PM • 1:09:24


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Mickey Gordon, Mallory Gordon


Mallory Gordon  00:02

You’re listening to the casual swinger podcast as your hosts, we need to warn you that the material you’re about to hear may be sexual or explicit in nature. This podcast is intended for an adult audience. Now we don’t expect you to act like adults. What’s the fun in that?


Mickey Gordon  00:16

We’re a married couple living in Florida with over 13 years of experience in the lifestyle and we take almost nothing seriously. Casual swingers a variety show meaning we’ll cover everything from music to events, travel, and even the occasional hilarious screw up. Our show is about entertainment. We’re not licensed professionals had anything and our stories, commentary and guidance should not be confused with the opinions of a licensed professional.


Mallory Gordon  00:41

Now that you know, let’s take those pants off and get comfy. Hey, everybody, welcome back to casual swinger. I’m Mallory casual swinger. And what is that? I don’t know that used to podcast all the time, and they just fell face there. Just went out and got busy with life and went away. Yeah, I guess so. I suppose today, the role of Mickey will be played by yours truly. Excellent. Thank you for joining me. I heard he has a giant penis. I don’t have one of those. We’re just going to have to pretend logical fallacy. Oh, fallacy fallacy did you did was this? Yeah. All right. I see. We did.


Mickey Gordon  01:21

All right. All phalluses all the time. And fabulous Queen of Central Florida. Everybody. This is Mallory. Take a Palooza so what in the hell have we been doing for the last six weeks? that we haven’t been doing a podcast?


Mallory Gordon  01:37

Um, flyff. Work? Family Mickey got a new job. Yeah, you got a new job that definitely is kept us away. But you have been, you know, nose to the grindstone. Literally,


Mickey Gordon  01:48

I really every day trying to learn a new thing. And honestly keep casual toys rolling. And because that, you know, when you guys spend money with us, that’s a priority for us. And unfortunately, between the new job and casual toys, it’s kind of made it so I need to focus on that stuff. But yeah,


Mallory Gordon  02:03

I did think about doing an episode by myself. But answering myself makes me sound like an insane person. So


Mickey Gordon  02:09

I’m kind of thinking everyone would love it if you did an episode without me. So they didn’t have to hear my voice for a while. Yeah, but that’s like one long monologue. Oh, but it’s a good one you could be like, and this is how I masturbate.


Mallory Gordon  02:19

Okay, I mean, that’s that’s in play for late next episode. Right? Well, I think the last episode, but like we’re gonna be on time next time. Don’t worry, guys. He said that last three episodes. I think they’ve just surmised that we don’t keep our word.


Mickey Gordon  02:31

Okay, we are full of shit. But in the next episode, Mallory’s gonna whack it. Okay, if it. Yeah, sure. Why not? If that makes people tune back in you’ll just slap your been around on the shirt. YOLO can even see no one says that anymore. Do they? I think that was a very 2000s thing. You just said it was very such. Oh, you see, I’m cool. I use words like SAS in a sentence.


Mallory Gordon  02:52

Yeah. No, no. I mean, it’s I know what it means. It just doesn’t sound right coming out of your mouth. Oh,


Mickey Gordon  02:59

we have done a bunch of other shit. Right. So I think everything kind of led up we more or less accidentally took the month off leading up to peak app. And peak app is podcaster Palooza for those of you guys that live in Iraq, don’t listen, any of the shows, don’t listen to the other 11 content creators that were down there. It was a lot of fun, we would have to sound out with a bunch of cool last weekend people.


Mallory Gordon  03:19

I ton of cool ass people, it was so great to be in that type of environment. And he did such a good job of curating a place for people to have, you know, the world is their oyster to create their own adventure, essentially.


Mickey Gordon  03:34

And it was it was a journey for everybody that came whether it was a journey to go meet creators or a journey to learn something new or a journey to hang up by the beach and get fucked up because you’ve been stuck home with COVID for the last 18 months. Yeah,


Mallory Gordon  03:44

the theme night, see the events everything was just absolutely wonderful. And I enjoyed meeting so many people that we’d connect with, especially during COVID and quarantine, that we actually got to meet in person. That’s fantastic. Oh, I’m just gonna say it. Honey spoon. Oh, wow. Wow. No one’s surprised by that. You and every other person there. Yeah, get in line. Yeah. Honey spoon.





Mickey Gordon  04:14

By the way, who is one of our casual ambassadors for that? Yeah, it’s I met her and her amazing husband. And it was just like, Wow, you guys are awesome.


Mallory Gordon  04:23

Yeah, we had all three of our ambassadors there. Yeah, we had Miss alleycat. Oh, yeah. And Pepe pineapple and Pepe pineapple. So it was awesome. Yeah, one of my highlights and I’m just gonna go ahead and throw this in there since we’re talking about them anyways, is when Pepe and honey spoon showed up to our table with a wet t shirts because I’d mentioned earlier in the day that there was a girl wearing a white t shirt. And it was wet and there’s maybe it’s like the late 80s, early 90s stuck in me but there’s just something so hot about a girl and a wet white t shirt to me.


Mickey Gordon  04:57

Yeah, that’s right. For those of you out there that were born in the wrong generation. Just go ahead and Google Tawny kitane


Mallory Gordon  05:02

Yeah, yeah, it was, it was so hot and I was so touched like, I was awkward and speechless.


Mickey Gordon  05:08

Oh, yeah, it was, it was crazy. I mean, it’s I don’t lust for honey spoon for no reason whatsoever. She was hotter. No. And they were both wearing casual swinger t shirts. Yeah, they were just really frickin off. Again, totally touch. I think we would have probably talked about this earlier. And honestly, we really I know you guys that listen to us regularly know that we don’t really do event recap episodes very often. So we’re really not going to do that. Because my guess is you’re gonna get 11 or 12 of these from all the different contracts down there. But it you know, it was crazy. We were gonna have them talk about it because we met so many cool people. I definitely caught a cold because I’ve been stuck in the house for 18 months and didn’t go out and do anything. So it wasn’t COVID or anything, but I couldn’t talk for a week.


Mallory Gordon  05:46

Yeah, no, I think you then pass it on to me. I sound like I can swap spit. I’m a sound a little hoarse. That’s not a pony. You caught it from my penis. Yes, I did. It was great. Yeah, we had lots of dirty sex with ourselves.


Mickey Gordon  05:59

We really did. Like we didn’t sleep with anybody. I tell you what, we went to podcaster Palooza and came back and everybody that was there probably thinks that we’re like complete frauds. They were like, nope, they don’t swing. We never saw them. Never saw us in the play rooms because we never went.


Mallory Gordon  06:12

Yeah, no, we were just so busy. I don’t know socializing that we forgot that we’re swinger.


Mickey Gordon  06:19

Yeah, we’re here to meet people. And we didn’t do that. Not at all. Let’s be honest, we rarely do that at events anyway. It’s not really our style. We’re kind of casual. But that’s okay. It’s not like a mad about it or anything. And you know, we did our session, which for those of you that did not go to podcaster Palooza, the folks that did go and came to our session on Sunday afternoon, were I don’t want to see treated too, because I think we might have punished them a little. But we we fucked with them, essentially,


Mallory Gordon  06:45

cuz you made them laugh till they were crying. Somebody vomited. And then I was the fucking party pooper. I brought everyone down like 10 notches.


Mickey Gordon  06:55

Well, but that was the journey we went through. We did on purpose. I mean, we had a period in our lives that we’ve never talked about in the show, and we’re not going to that was about six months long, where we had the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. So we took the crowd through that in 45 minutes by taking them very, very high. And then bringing them very, very low. With the rest of the story.


Mallory Gordon  07:14

Yeah. And they forgave us. We got a lot of great feedback. Actually, most of that Sunday evening, we spent discussing some of that. And what I was really surprised by and really touched by, is there people that had stories that touched on or were similar to what we had discussed. And that almost makes me feel better about because I mean, I was still in shock. just telling that to the world because I’d never spoken out loud to anyone outside of us. Sure. We’ve kept it fairly quiet. Yeah, show that. Yeah. I was surprised at how, you know, raw, I still felt after talking about it. It was cathartic. Who are you telling? Yeah, I know. I know. I know. But it felt a little better knowing I’m not alone in there now alone, if that makes sense. Like we bonded a little bit over that.


Mickey Gordon  08:03

I kind of feel that and I feel that for a couple of reasons. Because standing up there and participating in the story with you listening to you tell your story. And lock from The Suite Life actually put it really succinctly. He said that we stood in front of a roomful of people in late our truth on the table. Very much so. And that was, by the way, it was that dude is awesome. I’ll get into that in a second. But it just, I mean, really. It was tough. And I didn’t realize how tough it was gonna be till I heard you doing it. And I’ve been a public speaker. For basically it’s all of your library. Yeah. And I don’t break up. I don’t screw up. I just don’t know. And yeah,


Mallory Gordon  08:44

you kind of broke character and started to get a little emotional. I did. I said out loud. If you if you do it, I’m gonna do it. And we’ll never get through this.


Mickey Gordon  08:51

This will never be over here the rest of the day. Yeah. So it was it was really kind of epic, to get that opportunity to share that story with those people and the lessons that we learned. And the biggest thing out of it that I got was closure. I feel like we’re finally moved on. You


Mallory Gordon  09:08

know, I was a little surprised to hear you say that, but also very grateful that that was a takeaway from you. Yeah, I was terrified in the hours leading up to it. I had conversations with you that I was really scared that I had started to make these friendships and connections while we were there. And then I’m gonna go in and paint myself as a villain to these people. And that is somewhere I’d be shunned or, or, you know, got the rotten tomatoes.


Mickey Gordon  09:36

I don’t think anybody was going to do that. But we definitely, you know, painted ourselves is not the heroes of the story,


Mallory Gordon  09:42

which is something we don’t tend to do as human beings. No, you know, we tend to like, put that stuff under the rug. And what actually happened for me is after you had finished your portion, and I started telling mine, I almost felt a little more at ease. I felt like I was among friends. And that was It was a safe space to do this. It was very strange, but wonderful.


Mickey Gordon  10:04

I kind of felt like they were all on that journey with us at that point. I think they were invested. They’re like, fuck it. We’re in it now. It’s like being on a roller coaster and you got to the top was like, Well, here we go. Buy in for a diamond for $1. Right, pitter patter. Let’s get out here. But I’ll talk about your Letterkenny obsession here later. But you know, I do think that one of the coolest things that came out of that was casual swinger. Because three months after all of that happened, yeah, casual swinger was born and that’s the thing that the people learned a pee cap. Is it casual swinger wasn’t born out of pride. It wasn’t born out of all the cool shit we know about the lifestyle. It wasn’t born out of us being experts. It was born out of humility.


Mallory Gordon  10:47

That is very true. I think it’s not something we’ve ever really said out loud.


Mickey Gordon  10:53

So I really felt like that was cool, but alright, on from that sappy rough shit. Thank you for everybody that came down to podcaster Palooza and took part in it with us and went on that emotional journey with us. But we did get to spend some time with some of the most amazing content creators in this business.


Mallory Gordon  11:08

Amen. Do you want to give like a few like bullet point like highlights and then we’ll move on? Oh, yeah. We got to do some shout outs.


Mickey Gordon  11:14

Everybody knows that. I have a man crush on Jay from average trainers. He is one of my favorite human beings on the face of this planet. He’s amazing. And oh my god, it looks so good. And his main Kini. You know, and I am being genuinely honest, when it says I know he and I fuck with each other on the air all the time. But there are very few people in this world that I personally call for advice. And he’s one of them. And that should tell you who he is. He’s that good of a human being. He’s that brilliant, emotionally speaking. Intellectually speaking, he’s a turd but emotionally he’s just you know, he’s amazing. But how about how about locking triste? From the sweet life?


Mallory Gordon  11:56

They were well, she’s hot. Oh my god. So when he walked into the room, I was like, Oh my god, they’re fucking high. Well, I’m at lock. Wow.


Mickey Gordon  12:04

And he’s like, my wife will be here. later on. I’m like, that’s cool. I get it. She just trolled you out here. You know? And then you know, maybe she’ll show up later. Maybe she doesn’t exist. And then next thing I know this smokin hot girl with hair a cooler color than mine is like, oh, by the way. I’m that girl he told you about.


Mallory Gordon  12:20

Oh, yeah, she looked like I’m fucking million dollars. Jesus. Holy crap. Rice that girl smoking. I was trying to play cool. No, I wasn’t cool. I stumbled on my single syllable words. Smile. Don’t say anything stupid. Like, Hi, my name is bbbbbb Nikki. What am I Oh my god. Bummer bell. Oh, another one. I loved hanging out with those guys. They’re amazing. as advertised, but even more so they’re so charismatic in person and so full of life. And like, I fucking love their smiles and I didn’t want to be a creeper. But like, if I saw them, I made sure like I wiggled my way into their little orbit so that we could at least have some conversation and hang out. Yeah, I really want to dance with bomber which I?


Mickey Gordon  13:03

Yeah, you know, I don’t go on the dance. No, you know? No, no, he definitely don’t I just hang out on the outside. But you know, we also got to meet some other great folks. The folks from naughty Jim. We got to meet the foot from swinging outside the lines. Yeah, chance to meet them before. And I know I’m gonna forget somebody. I think we pretty much had met everyone else other than those four. But I think you know, Locke made a huge impression on me because he went out of his way to come over and introduce himself to me and tell me who they are. And I’ve listened to their stuff, but I just never really got a chance to look them in the eye and shake his hand. And he took that opportunity which says so much to me, and I really appreciate it It definitely what bomber bomber is a great dude.


Mallory Gordon  13:41

Oh my gosh, this sounds amazing. I think we definitely got the fields. I do I get it feels now you guys got a case? Yeah, got a case of the fields.


Mickey Gordon  13:48

Definitely. And the last one that you know, I am a sepia sexual for those of you that don’t know and every sense of the word, right? When somebody really can engage with me intellectually look me in the eye and sit down and have a conversation about something that we might even disagree, and it’s okay. I like disagreeing with smart people because we’re not gonna insult each other. We’re not gonna call each other names. We’re gonna dig in. And that’s exactly what I got to do with the beautiful Kate, from monogamous marriage.


Mallory Gordon  14:15

That is true. And we actually got to spend some time with her significant other as well. Liam. Yeah, yeah, it was the next day. Yeah, we got both. Like we got the both It was so good. And here I’m wondering if you’re gonna want run over like superlatives before you got to them.


Mickey Gordon  14:33

I can’t say enough about them. Everyone knows she’s hot because her pictures are fire. But it’s they’re just the most amazing people are so freaking brilliant.


Mallory Gordon  14:40

They’re brilliant. They’re very open, transparent and brutally honest. Not I wouldn’t say brutally. They’re just the honest people. You can really engage them and just about any conversation and they’ll meet you there.


Mickey Gordon  14:54

And spoiler alert, they’re gonna be on our next episode, so Oh, shit. Oh shit. Hey, one last thing before we jump. On to the next thing because we do have a couple of things to do before we get to the breakouts. But Kate from wanderlust swingers baddest bitch on the planet hands down is just insanely detail oriented, organized. Everything we said she was everything we thought this event would be what it was.


Mallory Gordon  15:18

Yeah. And her level of, you know, customer care customer service stations, even a customer client friend. Like she, she was everywhere. at every given moment. Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  15:29

everywhere except by the back fence when I threatened to poke that guy in the eye.


Mallory Gordon  15:33

That’s true. It was a weirdo trying to look through like the Yeah, the fence where we were trying to block it off. So the topless Pool Party was private. Yeah, yeah.


Mickey Gordon  15:42

Yeah, we were putting out a privacy fence. And he kept pulling it to the side and I walked over there and I was like, dude, you ever seen The Three Stooges? He’s like, No, I was like, well, guess what’s gonna happen? I’m gonna poke in your damn eyes. If you poke listening to the side again. He’s like, how do I get in? Like you don’t it’s a private party. And I pulled it to the side and zip tie to shit. Yeah, but I was like, I’m gonna poke you in the eye. And I would have I would have poked him. Right. He would have been a one eyed bastard.


Mallory Gordon  16:03

Yeah. So you were essentially the guy at the gate at the Emerald study. That was good for you. That’s right. It was not a horse of a different color.


Mickey Gordon  16:10

Oh, damn it, you stole my line. That’s the only line I know. All right, what else is going on because we have a whole bunch of travels, we got a whole lot of things we’re doing that are not going to keep us from doing new episodes of casual swinger. We have the new to the next two episodes planned. And we’re gonna get through season three and get season four started for you guys without a break. So since we just took it six weeks, which is crazy.


Mallory Gordon  16:29

You heard it here, folks. You’re gonna mock and shame him if he doesn’t hold up his end of the bargain.


Mickey Gordon  16:35

All the ridicule Jesus Christ feeling I’m feeling sassy, Mrs. sassy little. So


Mallory Gordon  16:41

what are we what else we have going on? We’re going to see Derek and I can’t wait out in the Midwest to see our a couple of our favorite human beings in the planet. Hopefully it isn’t snow in July there.


Mickey Gordon  16:52

Yeah. I mean, it’s one of the two days of summer they have an Iowa Yeah. Right. So I’m looking forward to that. We’re going to St. Augustine in July, St. oggy. A couple of really actually, we’re going to couples that we adore. So we’re really excited about that.


Mallory Gordon  17:04

Yeah. And then to Nashville and August. This has been a trip that we we’ve been trying to do for it’s been a year, year and a half, almost two now.


Mickey Gordon  17:12

It was gonna be a meet and greet. And then management. Well, they didn’t go tits up. They just had to shut down. Get that that location as a church now I think, or a homeless shelter or something crazy. Okay. But there’s a new location from an edge and it’s not going to work out for this trip. So we’re just going to Nashville to see Randy Rogers band. I’m cool with that. I’ve never been to Nashville. Oh, Nashville is amazing. I can’t wait. We have two ASN awards in September.


Mallory Gordon  17:32

That’s right by our own backyard for a long weekend. middle of September, my birthday weekend, if anyone wants to show up and give me a little, you know. And then we’re going up north to the DC metro area.


Mickey Gordon  17:46

Yeah, we’re going back back to our roots back to the DC area for about a week because we’re going to be old.


Mallory Gordon  17:52

Yeah, your roots, my branches.


Mickey Gordon  17:55

And last but not least, guys, we’re going on our last trip with Rachel’s rascals two hedonism in November.


Mallory Gordon  18:02

I know I’m super excited. This is gonna be an amazing trip. I know. They’re almost sold out of rooms. I think Jim has a couple left.


Mickey Gordon  18:09

Yeah, he doesn’t have a lot. I know guys want to go on our last rascals for a while. That’s a we’re never going to wrestles again. By the way. We love the rascals. Yeah. Family. Yeah. 20s don’t have the PTO.


Mallory Gordon  18:18

Yeah, yeah. our day jobs are like, hey, by the way, you can’t take that much ever again. So yeah, we’re gonna take 2022 off at a minimum. Yeah, maybe we’ll end up at Hito at some point. time allows, that would be awesome. But


Mickey Gordon  18:32

make it work. But we can’t really do it as


Mallory Gordon  18:35

if you wanted to travel with us in the rascals both at the same time. Feel free to reach out to us. It’s casual swing, calm slash travel with us. Happy to provide you the info and get you in contact with those folks. You can book something.


Mickey Gordon  18:46

Yeah. Well, hey, we never bothered to tell anybody since this entire catch up. What? What this episode is about? Oh, yeah, we haven’t just left it off.


Mallory Gordon  18:56

Yeah. So you name this after meatloaf song, which I love you for. I would do anything for love. But I won’t do that. And we’re talking about play style dynamics, right?


Mickey Gordon  19:06

That’s right. Anything for Levin’s, but I won’t do that. Yeah, this is a play style dynamics episode where we’re gonna talk about the different dynamics. Do people endure any new dynamic that we just embarked on?


Mallory Gordon  19:16

Yeah, this has been since the last Yeah. Last. Yeah. I think since our last episode. Yeah, just barely. Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  19:23

So we did embark on a new dynamic in our play style. We’re going to talk about that we come back in just a couple of minutes. Sorry about this long intro guys. It’s been a while we’re a little rusty But hey, maybe you’ll enjoy it and hang in there with us. Mallory. As usual. Would you like to tell everybody where to find


Mallory Gordon  19:37

I can remember we are casual swinger everywhere. Guys, that’s our website. Casual swinger calm if you’d love to send us a message, feel free to email us podcast at casual swing calm and find us on social media. That’s Facebook, YouTube, Instagram and of course Twitter because it’s the only place you can post pictures anymore book and then the dating sites That’s double date, nation, as Lessons CC and Cassidy.


Mickey Gordon  20:02

That’ll do it. Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back in just a couple of seconds and we will talk about playstyle dynamics. You’ve been listening to casual this week. Okay, gang. Welcome back to casual swinger. My name is Mickey. And I am Mallory. I figured you guys got that shit figured out by now we’re going to talk about playstyle dynamics, the way we play in the lifestyle. It’s kind of a defining characteristic. It’s one of the first things people ask when you meet them on a on a website or on a dating service or in person that is your club. What do you fall into? What do you do? How do you play?


Mallory Gordon  20:48

Yeah, and that’s fascinating, because why is it so easy to talk about the things you’re not into? And you won’t do it? But it’s usually hard or harder for people to say what they do want.


Mickey Gordon  21:00

They almost never do and especially on places like w eight nation or STC you see, you know, we do not play separately Don’t even ask, it’s like the first thing that something African often doesn’t have, you know, single guys, right? How about that one? That one’s on a lot of profile. My favorite one is University of Sydney, you’re not allowed to use these photos? You there is no University of Sydney.


Mallory Gordon  21:20

Okay? I mean, even us we have you know, no assholes including ours. That’s true. You know, because we don’t do but you’ve been asked for Angel hadn’t asked, but I say no every time just about it. At least that’s something you’ve been asked, right? Because the only guys that want to do it have like, can get friction off a pickle jar. And I don’t want my butthole to look different the next day or our butthole. And yours. Yeah,


Mickey Gordon  21:42

you know, Matt Serra’s ears or something? Gross, big old, lumpy butthole. cauliflower crew, Okay, stop. That’s not sexy. But you know, in 15 years in the lifestyle, you know, we’ve seen so many of these warnings in the dating sites and all these things. People say that I’m not doing this. And and we’re not this, we’re not that. And I mean, don’t get me wrong, the vast majority of these profiles are beautiful. And they say we’re a soft swap couple, or we’re full swap couple and great. That’s a great way to do it. We applaud you completely. But then you go to another one. And it’s like, Don’t ever think you’re going to speak to my wife without me standing right next to you. Yeah,


Mallory Gordon  22:23

I love which is kind of a default. And we can talk about how it fit into the dynamic. We’re gonna speak about later, that you know, only group chats period. I’ve tried to talk to us individually. I know. And one pump? Well, I don’t know. Anyway, I just wanted to bring that up. Well, cuz I have seen it quite a few times. Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  22:45

And in 15 years of being in the lifestyle together, I’ve never one time to maybe maybe you’ll disagree with me. But I just kind of thought back on this when we were putting the framework of this together in our minds. We’ve never been asked to do anything behind each other’s back. I picked that guy, Adam the douchebag. In the beginning,


Mallory Gordon  23:03

I also the girl that propositioned you at one of the functions we did and said, I didn’t and hers need to know. Yeah. And that’s only recently that was only recently I saw that in the notes. And I’m like, oh, call you out on the air. Yeah, that was okay. I forgot it. But it doesn’t. It’s not common. It’s just it’s a it’s a rarity. And it’s it’s just one of those implied unspoken things.


Mickey Gordon  23:27

Yeah, at least. And did I just draw on my forehead? He did. Okay, that’s okay. I’m scratching my head with my pen. And I realize I’m scratching at the wrong but


Mallory Gordon  23:33

like, leaving your partner out of the conversation specifically, like that whole group chat only, you know, I’ve never had an experience that I was speaking directly to somebody else, whether it was the male or female in the group without one, letting it be known that that’s was what I was doing. Like, especially if it’s her, I’ll ask her, or I’ll ask her if it’s okay to text him. Oh, of course, which that’s only happened a couple times. Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  23:57

And it is something that was fairly foreign to us. And I think we discovered, we kind of like it, we kind of like be able to have a little bit of direct conversation. And the end of the way when we talk about, we’re not leaving anyone out of the conversation, it just gives you an opportunity to more directly get to know somebody that you might be getting to know intimately at some point. But the way that I personally handle it, is I just kind of assume that my conversation with this person is going to be repeated verbatim to their partner. So I would never say anything to them that I wouldn’t say if their partner wasn’t sitting right there. I think that should be everyone’s rule of thumb. Yeah, just just assume that it’s gonna be like parroted Yeah. And badly. Think about telephone, right? Think about that game. Imagine it’s gonna go off. You’re like, You’re beautiful. And you’re back. He said, I had buck teeth, but they were pretty happy. Assume No,


Mallory Gordon  24:51

I don’t know how you got from point A to point B, but I do second telephone. No, I understood that analogy.


Mickey Gordon  24:58

But I don’t think I’ve ever really heard Did anyone ask me to leave you out of the conference now until now,


Mallory Gordon  25:02

it’s a good point that we’ve never been asked to play separately unless it was already on the table or discussed prior. Yeah, that’s true. Nobody ever said it’s, well, no, you


Mickey Gordon  25:12

know what, maybe I cut my own nose off to spite my face there. Because I have had people say that we would like to play with Mallory, but not you. What’s Yeah, that’s a dress. And what’s usually Well, I mean, dating sites, their location, can we hook up with her? We’re looking for a girl and she’s hot. Like don’t even know what it look like. It’s not like they look to me or like, hey, Quasimodo, can we talk to your wife? That’s not what happened. They just were looking for a girl and they thought, hey, you’re hot. Let’s do that. And me, by the way, well,


Mallory Gordon  25:40

and maybe it was just another like in their methodology. You know, some people, you know, unicorn, you know, hunting unicorns is challenging. And maybe the lower hanging fruit is finding a female that’s allowed to play separately with a couple. I mean, we’ve we’ve seen a lot more of that dynamic in the last three or four years and we saw of unicorns That’s true.


Mickey Gordon  26:00

And I you know, what? unicorn exchange is a great playstyle


Mallory Gordon  26:03

Yeah, unicorn exchange. Yeah, that sounds like a white elephant game. Like you play Christmas Eve. Exchange right? Instead of the slot where swap it’s just this one swap. Hey, let’s talk to TdnN see if they can create like a microsite that’s just for unicorn.


Mickey Gordon  26:16

That’s actually a brilliant idea. Even Andy if you’re listening, set that shit up. Right? You know, so I guess maybe in 15 years, we’ve kind of been asked to do all those things but not egregiously you know,


Mallory Gordon  26:29

never end poor taste or bad behavior. I think the two that you mentioned are probably the the only ones that I would give that kind of notation to


Mickey Gordon  26:37

I left a big one off there. Sorry about that. But that’s okay. No, but we have been asked to do a few things that are big no nose like a bareback.


Mallory Gordon  26:46

Oh, yeah. Which is it hasn’t come up in a long time. But when it does, at my always so foreign to me, and I’m like, I don’t think um, no, definitely, most definitely not. Yeah,


Mickey Gordon  26:58

I know couples that are they’re fairly, I don’t wanna say, I don’t know what the word is because it’s not monogamous. And it’s not polyamorous because they’re not in love. And they are two couples, it’s dogmas. I don’t know what it is, but where they are kind of hooked up and they’re fluid bonded and cool. They’re the only people they’re fucking monogamous. swingers have exclusive play partners. There we go. Yeah, maybe? I mean, he and that’s cool. But you meet him at a club? No.


Mallory Gordon  27:27

Yeah. What about we’ve been asked to surprise their partner for a birthday and let’s be honest, you did that to me. For one of my birthday. I


Mickey Gordon  27:36

did. Yeah. But at the same time, it was still a four person event. I just invited them down as a surprise. Here’s our friends that we play with all the time. And we’re all gonna hang out for your and I invited a bunch of your vanilla girlfriends to Okay, that he tried to fuck


Mallory Gordon  27:52

Yes. Rewind that tape for a second. Can you imagine Put yourself in my shoes. It’s my birthday. We have the swinger couple that we had been swinging with for quite some time. He’s very gregarious. Oh my, my girl circle pole dancing friends. Yes, my girl circle there. And he was hitting on all of them. So it’s them. All my girls it was it was a melding of two worlds that oh, well, if they hadn’t figured it out, they knew that most of them were most of them had. No I don’t they weren’t there was only one


Mickey Gordon  28:25

they were sexually non monogamous experience Havers on the regular I don’t know what you want to call it. No, they weren’t don’t know the No, they weren’t only one of them was the other two found interest in it. They’re the ones that are closeted, or like to insecure now one of them ended up having experiences but the rest of him at that point she had not, I guess I am building some of those. Yeah, you’re you’re making up the story that fits your narrative and how but wow. Wow, hi, guys, Mickey’s back and he’s a dick. That’s right. The new Mickey is a penis. You know, I we have had people ask us to expand boundaries that we’ve set prior to play in the heat of the moment. Now that is, like, you know, bareback is just off the table. It’s just really awful. But we talked about, you know, people are like, oh, by the way, I know you said you wouldn’t do blah, but since we’re here anyway. Things like being offered drugs. Yeah. Yep. You know, that’s and say, Hey, well, we brought some of this with us anyway. How would you like to do that? I’m like, Yeah, I feel like I can totally trust you. What else do you have in that trench game?


Mallory Gordon  29:28

Yeah, well, I mean, and I’m not gonna be like somebody else’s young but it does change the dynamic for me. You know, if they want to do whatever they want to do, that’s fine. But it also means if they’re under the influence, I don’t feel as great about it because I won’t do it. Oh, yeah. Well, that’s a different and that’s a that’s just a personal choice for me. That’s me not judging them.


Mickey Gordon  29:46

Why can I consider drug use to be the same as alcohol, that excessive use of alcohol is a consent issue for me and I consider to be drug use the same Yeah,


Mallory Gordon  29:56

even if like everyone’s totally sober and they decide to overindulged. Yeah during Yeah, even then that makes me uncomfortable. Exactly. And I’m



not gonna judge you for it. I’m just not gonna play with you. I mean, it’s Yeah, we’ll see. We’ll see here and babysit you and bring you snacks, right? Yeah, events


Mickey Gordon  30:12

we go to or we don’t play. It has nothing to do with not winning play with people just sometimes it’s just not right. Yeah. How about and this is kind of the last one before we kind of move on? Is it the picture swapping? Oh, every fucking time you get somebody like from Kentucky who’s like, Hey, I know I don’t live anywhere near Central Florida. But let’s exchange pictures and jerk off. Can’t wait, Steve, let’s do that.


Mallory Gordon  30:31

It’s just not our bag. And it’s I guess it makes it a little foreign to us. And I think it’s more common than we really know. That pick pick exchange is a thing. Well, I don’t know. It’s kind of hot with people, you know? Yeah. But I mean, maybe it’s a little bit of a fetish one as people you don’t know. I’m not sure.


Mickey Gordon  30:48

We have some friends that are amazing photographers. And they have beautiful Oh my God. And so when they want to share photographs, it’s super sexy, but we know them. It’s not and so why are we including this in play style dynamics? Because I think for some people that is their playstyle because maybe their partner has no idea. Yeah. Maybe they’re just not into maybe their partner is the slowest person. And so they’re like, Look, let’s just do it this way. And it’ll just be hot and we can look at pictures and talk about it for a year


Mallory Gordon  31:15

plausible. We could probably come up with a six different ideas of you know what we don’t know that could be right, we make up the makeup the in between, but I do find it as an interesting or fascinating behavior. But not that I want. I want to subscribe to


Mickey Gordon  31:29

No, no, it’s I don’t do it. I mean, I do different stuff with our photographs. Anyway, I get a lot of shit online for it. I get a message probably once a week, from some morning dude going, Hey, all these other people have only fans, all these other people are showing off, you know, more TNA more explicit, you know, pussy pictures, why don’t you do that? You should do that. Send them to me. Just send me It’s okay. Just send him to me. Like Yo, my God, dude, you’re so right. Let me just send you this directory of 12,000 photos of Mallory’s vagina that I have. All right, it’s 9000. I’m not that weird. Okay. But so let’s talk about some of the different playstyles. Yes, yeah, the different ones that we’ve encountered and embarked on and what they are


Mallory Gordon  32:10

you kind of? Yeah, you kind of want to go in order from like, most common, most common or where a lot of people start, like, let’s say same room? Sure. See, maybe probably the most common place. The same room could be soft swap could be full swap, but everyone resides in plays in the same square footage area. There’s a door there, everyone’s on one side of it.


Mickey Gordon  32:30

Yeah. And I think that’s popular for safety reasons people feel comfortable. And I do think that that’s one of the biggest challenges both for women and for men for different reasons, that when you go to embark on a non monogamous adventure with another couple, what you’re doing is you’re handing the person you care about the most as a female or a male, to someone else to have intimate time with. And it’s a very vulnerable position for both parties.


Mallory Gordon  32:56

Oh, extremely. When we first started, I was definitely not comfortable being out of your eyesight. I wasn’t necessarily as concerned about keeping tabs on you. I mean, I was interested in what you were doing, but it just felt so foreign and very uncomfortable in the beginning to be outside of there. Like I remember, there was a time early on, I think you left to get like water for everybody. And in my head. I decided that you were you were gone for too long. And I remember feeling so anxious and paranoid. Someone was talking to me and it was like Charlie Brown’s teacher. Yeah. Wah wah, wah, wah. Exactly. I’m like, I know your lips are moving. But don’t understand anything you’re fucking saying right now. Is mine’s my anxieties like peaked? Yeah, I don’t I don’t know why I think it is.


Mickey Gordon  33:43

My person’s disappeared. Maybe he ran off maybe he met somebody and maybe forgot about


Mallory Gordon  33:47

No, me and my brain no be found down. You know, the stairs are being carted off in an ambulance. Definitely. No. Well, again, I guess so. She’s dead. I’m fun. I’ve always cared like you’re hurt or injured.


Mickey Gordon  34:02

You have to worry that I fall into my do a single storey building.


Mallory Gordon  34:07

That’s my worst case scenario, like you were abducted by aliens. Or I don’t know. I just worry about you.


Mickey Gordon  34:14

I’m so glad somebody does. Because the whole world out there is going god he’s an idiot. So what about group play? I think group play and people think same room but group play. What I mean by that is to some for some more some Yeah. Right. It’s it could be more than for sure. Because same room can be. I mean, one of my favorite parts about hotel rooms is they have a sex bed and sleep. Oh, yeah. But when you have a couple over there most experts, that’s true. But if you’re all in one bed, that’s group playing, okay. Right. It’s you’re all in the same space. That means you may have incidental contact. Yes, that’s my foot. Get off me. By you know,


Mallory Gordon  34:48

yeah. Which is the wrong order of those words. That should be get me off.


Mickey Gordon  34:51

That’s right. Get me love. But I do think it’s different. I think that dog pile in group play. Some people really dig it and it’s going Have a fun dynamic. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My friends that really dig it.


Mallory Gordon  35:05

Yeah, no, I love it. Because that means more hands for pets. Which I love my pets you do.


Mickey Gordon  35:13

But yeah, I personally don’t love group play. It’s not my thing, mostly because I have ADD like a motherfucker.


Mallory Gordon  35:20

Yeah, you and I have talked about that. So I think it’s add is one of the reasons you and I understand each other and yours is a little different than mine. But like we overlap and I’m not gonna say Venn diagram even though I just did. Um, there we go again, folks. Another Venn diagram from Matt, we have overlapping tendencies, so we understand each other. But your your tics and hesitations and like where you tend to refocus is totally different work than than I so. But yeah, I can see my dog pals, like, it’s good for me because I have multiple things going on that allowed me to focus on me. It’s weird, like I listen to music or watch Netflix while I work, even when I’m doing some intense research, because it allows me to focus because there’s other things going on. I don’t know how you do that same reason I need a fan on at night. I need the noise I need to that tactile feeling of the wind on my face and listen to the noise.


Mickey Gordon  36:12

Like the only time I can listen to music while I work is when I’m doing accounting for casual toys or taxes or expense reports at work when I’m doing mindless shit. I was gonna say odd number for AIFF to call it Yeah, autonomic functions. Yeah. But if I’m trying to do for JB for casual swinger, I’m working on a website working on graphics. I can’t


Mallory Gordon  36:31

Yeah, and see, the more creative or in depth it is the more I need it. But I digress. So what about separate room play? That’s another dynamic


Mickey Gordon  36:42

that is another dynamic. And we’re gonna talk a lot more about that in a minute. But, you know, separate room is something that I think a lot of people are terrified of,


Mallory Gordon  36:50

especially in the beginning, a lot of people never explore that.


Mickey Gordon  36:53

No, they don’t. And again, for a lot of reasons, there’s trust security, there’s concern for maybe something’s gonna happen that I have no control over, or maybe even just basic logistics. Like, what happens if one couple finishes? are we all going to go watch TV until they get done in that other room? It’s tough. Yeah, it’s stuff you have to communicate about beforehand. And you know, we talked about this a lot in our podcast a Palooza session, but communication is pretty goddamn key. Because things like separate room, that’s where it’s really important. I mean, you’re gonna go beat on the door and go, Hey, I came get out of there. We’re done now. Oh, that’s not how that works. But separate room is very uncommon, actually, from our experience, almost as uncommon as people talking separately and as opposed to in group chats and stuff. Interesting that you mentioned that it is but we’re gonna get back to that. Is that foreshadowing? Yes. And literature we call that foreshadowing, folks? I love you. He’s so good at this about hot wife and cut clay. Let’s talk about them.


Mallory Gordon  37:48

Yeah, I mean, obviously, that’s another dynamic right hot wife, click Play stag, vixen? Anything, you can kind of throw those under an umbrella in a way. All little different in their own sense. But when one player goes out, player, a player a player don’t hate the player hate the game. When one player three is in the game, are we gonna make you explain it? When when one spouse of the couple goes out and plays with another individual or even another a couple of times, or? Yeah, no,


Mickey Gordon  38:22

it is well and so it can be cocky can be cut Queen, cut queen is a female cook. By the way for those that don’t know what that is. But yeah, it’s it’s when one person goes out and plays and the other one gets hella turned on by it and stays home and tries out like hell not to spank their monkey because they want to bug the crap out of their partner when they get home. It’s actually extremely common.


Mallory Gordon  38:43

Yeah, it’s more common than I would have thought. 15 years ago.


Mickey Gordon  38:49

Yeah. It’s outrageously common. Yeah. And how about soft swap full swap oral only? Right. It’s i think i think we that’s all kind of know what those things are. The weird one for me is where people are like oral only Yeah, like don’t touch me down there. But you can kiss it and I we’ve actually had a couple they don’t kiss me. Yes. Don’t get me. It’s all me on the poster. You can hear touch it.


Mallory Gordon  39:16

You can kiss me where it smells funny. But definitely a lot on the lips. Sure.


Mickey Gordon  39:21

I get it. I guess I don’t understand it. I’m not gonna do it. I don’t think it should smell funny. No, it doesn’t smell your smells delicious. Thanks. Yeah. Like, like fairies are down there. It’s going here have fairy dust. Nice. rainbows and sunshine. Yes. Oh, no. rainbows are unicorn farts. Yours don’t smell like unicorn farts.


Mallory Gordon  39:39

Yeah. And then there’s the other dynamic and it’s usually like the disclaimer dynamic. Right? Right. I would do we can do all of the things anything but insert what’s only reserved for my spouse here


Mickey Gordon  39:53

that like kissing. Kissing is a great example of that. Yeah, I only kissed my partner. You know, I can’t I cannot have sex without kissing. I just Kid,


Mallory Gordon  40:00

I can’t, I cannot find. I can’t even imagine trying to find a level of sexual draw desire to someone that I can’t kiss because it’s a precursor. Like when you kiss someone, that’s when the wheels start turning, and you start to anticipate what kind of lover they could potentially be. Yeah, that’s that first gate


Mickey Gordon  40:21

fetish. Well, that’s it, they can’t kiss your face. They’re not going to kiss your pussy worth a damn. That’s a good point, right? Because if they’re too rough, if they’re like, chomping on your cheek or something, or


Mallory Gordon  40:32

biting your tongue, I’ve had somebody do that before, which is very strange.


Mickey Gordon  40:35

I go, like, Oh, my tongue. Or how about reserving like, things that the spouse won’t do? Like? Like, for example, I we’ve actually had this conversation, maybe where some playstyle is, I’m really looking for anal, because my wife won’t do it. And my wife’s totally fine with it. She’s right here, see? And she goes, Yeah, you’re right. I won’t, but you can.


Mallory Gordon  40:54

Or the opposite, because I’m uncomfortable with it. It’s not part of our dynamic in or out of this situation.


Mickey Gordon  41:01

Yeah. So and again, that a lot of this sounds like yucking, somebody else’s yum. And I promise it’s not. It’s just kind of an overview of some of those different dynamics that are out there. They’re all okay, if everyone involved is okay with it. Sure. But if not, everybody’s okay with it. Where’s the where’s this come in? failures of communication. So what ends up happening is because you’re afraid of how people are going to react, people don’t like what you’re going to say, maybe you think that they’re not going to be okay with it. Maybe you hold it back, and then you end up asking for it in the heat of the moment. And that’s how that first thing happens that we talked about earlier in the segment, that now in the heat of the moment, you bring something up, that’s all new, that’s a terrible time to introduce something new. If you didn’t communicate it about it beforehand, then probably shouldn’t communicate about it while you’re having sex. Right? don’t pop new shit on partners and swinging. That’s


Mallory Gordon  41:53

not a good idea. Yeah, no, no, yeah. No, that’s, that’s terrible idea. And so where are we even talking about this? Because I think that overview went a little long. We have a fucking point to this. I don’t care. We haven’t done a show in six weeks, they’re probably gonna forgive us for it. So how about let’s ask a question, Where are we with our exploration? shoots happened in the last six weeks? Yeah. Yeah. I love that. We’re still doing new things over these years. But I’m also shocked that we it took us this long to explore it, and maybe it was just the right time, the right people.


Mickey Gordon  42:22

That’s what I think is gonna happen here in a second, we are going to let our listeners know that there’s something that we hadn’t done before, and they will probably have assume that we did. That’s true. And it’s probably going to be a little shocking.


Mallory Gordon  42:36

Okay, are we gonna give it to them? Because we’re not due for a break. All right, let’s give it to them. Okay, so, since we last spoke to all of you, we actually had legit separate room play. Yeah. And I say legit, because we’ve had play where maybe you were on the main level doing something else. And I was still there. And it’s it’s kind of open air like in reference to our domicile? Sure. And I’ve gone out and done the single guy hot wife thing. But that’s not really separate room because you’re home or elsewhere doing non swinger things. Yeah, they were in it was normal. Yeah,


Mickey Gordon  43:12

I thought it would be very normal transition. But it’s still kind of came out. Like, like, don’t like we all huddled was like okay, and break. And?


Mallory Gordon  43:21

Yeah, yeah, kind of a little bit. But it wasn’t weird. It wasn’t weird. So Woody. So what do we think of it? What? How did how did that transpire?


Mickey Gordon  43:30

I kind of want to hear your thoughts on that. First.


Mallory Gordon  43:34

Okay. So I thought it was amazing. Actually, I very much enjoyed it. I had some reservations, of course, because it’s anything new. Right? You it’s an unknown quantity. So you don’t know what to expect after the fact. Right. And we’ve done such a good job at connecting with these folks. And that leads into something we foreshadowed, folks, is that we actually had an opportunity to engage with them individually. Yeah. And almost like a three way conversation. So we had a group chat with all of us in one place. You know, I would talk to her, I would talk to him, you would talk to her and you kind of talk to him a little bit, I believe. Yeah. Yeah, I like him. He’s a good guy. But we got to know each other a little more intimately. You know, leading up to them coming here, or meeting up? Yeah. And I think it actually helped a lot to establish this foundation and comfort level.


Mickey Gordon  44:33

Here’s what I liked about it. What it allowed us to take very different paths from point A to point B, when a group chat, people tend to follow the leader. So if things get naughty, then it’s a naughty chat for everybody. Yeah. But when you have that separate, segregated conversation, you can move, the two people might move slower than the other two people in terms of their path to being a little more risque or a little more I get it. But we all still arrived at the same place. We just arrived there at different times, which I thought was really interesting.


Mallory Gordon  45:07

Yeah. And I mean, it allowed us because when you think about it from a strategic in this sounds really kidzone candor and authentic in a way, but from a strategic perspective, you want to give the best opportunity to connect with that individual that you’re primarily going to be sleeping with. It’s not your partner. Yeah. And I think that really opened the door, because for me group chats, everyone’s schedules a little different. So I had trouble following and being on the same page as everyone else, when you reduce the number of people to just one other person and the person you’re praying to, nobody gets left behind. And then the two of you are going at your own pace. Yeah. And what was great is everyone was communicating and kind of giving, like summaries or bullet points that are up to date, because we’ve had problems with that in the past where we’ve independently spoken with one person. And they didn’t tell the other person like, you know, you never know how someone’s gonna feel about some things. Let’s trigger and, you know, even they’re just words, they can hurt sometimes. Oh, or be an issue. And this was not the case. It was absolutely wonderful.


Mickey Gordon  46:15

Yeah, it’s, I think it is, and I think we, we kind of covered what was good about it, was there anything bad about it from your perspective that would that would lead us to, we don’t want to do that, again, that plays out and work for us, or the lead into that play style wasn’t effective for us?


Mallory Gordon  46:30

You know, I will update you, if I identify anything that I can say was bad or negative or even indifferent to, yeah, um, nothing’s coming to mind me


Mickey Gordon  46:43

either. I can tell you that. For me. It was a lot of confetti in the air like it. Yeah, it was really good for me, because I have ADD like a motherfucker. So I said that earlier. And it really let me focus on the other person a little bit, which made it a lot more intimate, especially for that person, because I think she needed that. And I think I would absolutely do it again. Matter of fact, I’m looking forward to doing it again. And I think you’re as well. That I am as well, what looking forward to doing it again. Are you paying attention? Are


Mallory Gordon  47:10

you I am you swallowing something? I don’t know, an Egor? I don’t know. I missed that.


Mickey Gordon  47:16

But yeah, I’m looking forward to doing it again, because I think everything about it was great. And the last thing that I have for you is why in the hell have we done that before?


Mallory Gordon  47:24

You know, after all these years, I look back and I’m thinking the same thing. We’ve had some very close relationships. And I don’t know if it was a reflection of the other couples dynamic or that we just never asked or really thought about it. That or that intentionally. Because for us, we’ve only really pursued like, the hot wife kind of aspects. Because that does feed. You and I in a very personal and intimate environment. So dirty for us. And we’ve we love it. Yeah, I’m not really sure I came up with nothing when we were going through the notes on this. Yeah. I came up with it. There’s no I don’t. I don’t know if there was if we had any walls up with that. Do you think you did?


Mickey Gordon  48:12

I think that I had a irrational fear of a dynamic forming that never formed, I think I had an irrational fear that we would lose communicative points that we would lose the group dynamic that it would become about two separate relationships and not the group. And I think what we did really well was maintain that group chat as well as the individual chats.


Mallory Gordon  48:36

Yeah, we didn’t nurture the conversations as a whole. And just like we nurtured the playtime as a whole because it wasn’t just separate room play. I mean, we actually led with it, which was kind of funny. And like, in hindsight, but we also had group play. And it, it was actually a good physical reflection of the conversations we were having. Right? It was, it was fun. It was it was interesting, because I think she led the charge and the initial play separate. And then he did as well. And I was really proud of them. And for many reasons that we won’t get into that. They were kind of like the ringleaders there. And then we we did the group play thing, and it was almost poetic. It was beautiful. Yeah, I


Mickey Gordon  49:21

wish they’d come to podcasts of blues, I think we would have had a lot of fun. We probably would have been a lot less useful to all the attendees.


Mallory Gordon  49:26

I was gonna say we would have not been as hopeful or as present probably. Really, where’s the MC he’s in his room. And a lot of sex anyway.


Mickey Gordon  49:36

Well, what are your thoughts on transitioning between playstyles because, you know, I think everybody starts somewhere some people start soft and seem room or or oral only or they start girl girl only, right? I mean, they were there. Everybody’s got some list of fucked up rules when they get started. We did everybody else has.


Mallory Gordon  49:56

I don’t want to call them fucked up because everyone I mean, if it’s their rules, it’s a prerogative. Sure.


Mickey Gordon  50:00

But is there a way to progress between playstyles? If you wanted to do so in your opinion?


Mallory Gordon  50:04

I mean, sure there is. I mean, we did it. Of course there is, but it’s got to be ever the slowest person’s pace, right? I just think it’s crazy that we haven’t ever really done it before. It’s so mind blowing to me. It’s


Mickey Gordon  50:20

equally mind blowing, would you do it again, I would 100% do it again, even necessarily, with a different couple, but with some caveats. Okay, then obviously, with that couple because it worked out magically was fantastic. So of course, I’m going to do it again. But with, you know, the caveats for a new couple are that we do maintain that group dynamic, and that we let everybody know, they know that we do talk to each other, we are going to communicate wholly and completely we’re going to communicate for ways and make sure that everybody’s on the same page and find out what all of us want from our playtime. Yeah, right. What are you looking for? What you know, what scares you? Because I think irrational fear is the thing that grenades a good time. It really does.


Mallory Gordon  51:06

Yeah, no, I get that. And I don’t know, this is something we could blink, blink it do with just about anyone, per se, right, because everyone’s got their own, you know, rules and regulations and comfort zones. But if we are I do like the approach we took, I think it made it comfortable, more comfortable for all parties. And I think it led to better sex to Oh, God.


Mickey Gordon  51:25

Yes. It was awesome. Yeah, but you know, I will tell you the thing that always kind of stopped me over the years, because I’ve been in the lifestyle very long time. And I’ve done some separate room stuff, you know, before you. And the thing that I always I always go back to and I always think about is how much do I trust this person with the person I love the most. Okay. And I think that’s one of the barriers for people is is my spouse, wife, girlfriend, fuck, buddy, whatever, are they going to be? Okay. And if you are worried about it, you probably shouldn’t be playing with a couple at all. Yeah, and I think the, in my opinion, that’s just my humble opinion. Can


Mallory Gordon  52:02

I get into my experience? I think it was the second time we had departed to do separate room pleasure show to talk. Yeah, so there was a little unexpected anxiety but it was a blend of anxiety and excitement and the best way and God I hope there’s people out there that watch tik tok that know who this person is because this is the I know, I can paint the picture. So there is a woman on tik tok, and she does these sleepwalking videos or no it is silliness. Spooky boo. she the one that farts? Yes. But I did not fart. So you guys are still up there. We had just finished at least like the first or second round. And I went to come like inspections like checking and reading and get waters and all these things. And I’m literally like Scooby Doo gang like tttt tttt, the main floor and like, I want to celebrate all of the things that have just happened. But I’m also not sure of like what I’m supposed to do with myself and what the next steps are. So it was like a robot ran out of the room, grab some water, come back in, lay back down, take the robot hang out, maybe learn a little bit. Get up, put the robe back on, run out giggle look for people. No one come back to the room. Like it was. It was a lot like her videos when she’s in that euphoric state. And she’s just running around giggling and like, going in the fridge and offering inanimate objects like drinks. That was that was pretty much me. Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  53:27

Meanwhile, I’m upstairs doing nothing playing checkers. Yeah, well with a pillow over her face because she was loud. I’m gonna call her checkers from now on. I was playing checkers. Look, if your add is Fuck, like I am, I will say this, that you’re transitioning to a separate room playtime is actually pretty beneficial. It was beneficial for me because you know, when we are in a group dynamic or steam room dynamic, I tend to focus on Mallory,


Mallory Gordon  53:54

okay. And I love that I’m your favorites, human being and I love that you’re so interested, and my pleasure and my happiness, that that’s a part of it. But I have, I do feel like it’s a hindrance on your own pleasure, because then you focus there takes away from your partner. But it also could potentially take away from your ability to get off. It does every time. And when we were talking about the separate play. I’m like, you know, I would really love to see how this impacts your ability to have more orgasms. Yeah,


Mickey Gordon  54:30

I think it does impact it. One of the things that I remember is obviously a few weeks ago, but one of the things I remember the most is that I had zero trouble I normally like condoms are an issue right and unique condom has been a huge boon for me. The unique condoms are the most sensitive condom I’ve ever felt. So I think it was a combination of the unique condoms and the separate room right? But are you gonna tell you’re gonna make jokes about the fucking labels on the condoms? I know. But those condoms And the separate room made it to where I had no reptile issues at all like I was harder than Chinese algebra the whole fucking time. I was I was as hard as on naturale


Mallory Gordon  55:09

man, like all natural like you were ready to go with it. I know nothing. I was super excited for that. That was wonderful. You know, I enjoyed using the condoms as well. It definitely helps me a lot of them. You owe me money. I was lucky. That was rude. But one of the best parts was picking the stickers off your guys’s butts and balls because apparently as girls are you guys when like I put them on every time. I think he kind of liked it. But they never failed like, because it’s Dickerson you’re crevasses.


Mickey Gordon  55:51

I know I had one of my ball sack in the shower. And I was like, why do I have a green sticker? There’s one I can’t remember whose button was on. But it’s the sticker. See insert penis here. Oh, no, it was the best flick. It’s not close to taking a picture. Definitely not my button. Alright, well look, we’re gonna come back in just a hot second for you guys. I This episode is going to run just a couple of minutes long. But we don’t want to leave this out. We’re gonna come back and talk a Mallory’s toy box. We’re going to talk about the poem power extreme. It’s a new one. So awesome. Yeah, Mallory is going to talk all about this. I am



I was a little scared of it. Not gonna lie. But we’ll get into that all new stuff. Mallory want to let everybody know where to find us. And we’ll be back in a whole second.


Mallory Gordon  56:31

Yeah, we’re casual swimmer everywhere. It’s casual swing, calm, you can reach out to us podcast at casual swinger calm. If you like us want to leave us some love notes. Feel free to do that on iTunes. let other people know that we’re great. We’re also on social media. That’s Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. And you can find us on the dating apps as well. That’s why Celeste sec and Cassidy.


Mickey Gordon  56:56

You know, it’s funny. I sit over here and I mock you for this like in my head. And I know that I could never do what you do. I could never get all that.


Mallory Gordon  57:02

Yeah. And he tried to distract me by counting and like trying to recite it or move your lips the same time as me. I’m an awful person. Yeah, I


Mickey Gordon  57:09

don’t know why you love me or suck my penis. That’s a great penis. There it is, folks. He’s got a great penis and he and his penis. We’ll be back with the beautiful Mallory in just a second. You’ve been listening to casually.


Mallory Gordon  57:35

Hey, guys, welcome back to casual swinger. It’s Mallory again. Did you get confused about what show this is? Oh, well, back to you. Casual I didn’t say. No, you didn’t. I did though. Jerk. Hey, welcome to my box. I love your box. Do you like to see what’s inside my box today? A few things inside your box in the last six weeks? That’s true. I’ve been playing with a lot of different things. Mm hmm. Yum, yum. Mallory’s toy box? Yeah. So yeah, we’re gonna do a toy box session because I feel rather spoiled these days. I got a few new toys over the last, you know, six weeks that we’ve been on hiatus unbeknownst to our listeners, you have a stack of toys I do. And this one I’m really excited about. You know, I’m a big proponent and supporter of the womanizer, that thing has changed my life. And I still love my ones I just struggled to use ones during play. Because of the ergonomics of it and the placement of it because of typically where I like to have the dual stimulation. I’m usually on my knees or face down or on my side. So it’s a curved like we’re spooning essentially, while we’re fucking are you doing me doggy style, but you used to use a wand every time I used to. Yeah, I used to use the nachi. And it just got to the point that was too cumbersome. To do so to hold the angles, right. And we placed Ray and I got so clunky that it was frustrating. It was actually taken away from potential natural orgasms. And oh, it was just a nightmare. That’s when we actually got the wedge because a wedge had the Hitachi o hole for it. Which is amazing. But it’s still not useful except for in that one position. Yeah, that’s right. We hadn’t figured like I’ve tried to bear hug it. Down face up. Yeah. That’s sitting, isn’t it? Looking at you, Derek. Yeah, so we found this toy. Actually, you found this toy and surprise me with it. There was a little goodie bag that was waiting for me when I get home. And it’s called a poem power extreme. And I keep on I call it a Palm Pilot. I know that’s like something totally else. It’s a utilitarian and outdated archaic tool. Now Ellery has dated herself. Hey, did everyone should date themselves. You do see sex toys all the time. But what I love about this, so it’s a one, but it’s a tilted one. Like it’s got it’s got an angled head. It does. And I was right before we started recording this. I was like, I don’t know how to describe it. You That hockey stick or a golf club, and yeah, that’s kind of the nature of it. So the head is perpendicular almost to the handle. It’s about a 4550 degree angle from the handle. Yeah. And it’s actually a really great angle. So if I’m laying on my belly or on my side, I don’t have to put my wrist in my hand in an uncomfortable position to make contact to where I feel is natural and comfortable for me. You can almost lay it flat on your belly. I could almost lay flat on my belly. You’re correct. Yeah, yes, almost lay flat on my belly and have this right underneath. It’s got a little bit of height to it. So I do have to like kick my hips up a little bit or use a pillow, which is or a wedge, which is kind of my go to like the little soft wedge, not the big wedge. But what I love about this is it’s got a few things going for it is water resistant. So no, don’t take it in the bathtub. It’s not submergible but you know, if I was in the shower if you’re squirter totally fine. Okay, yeah, silicone head. It’s got a silicone head. It’s USB rechargeable, which is kind of a half, two, there’s not many battery operated toys out there that, you know, I would go to, you know, the maps for these days. rechargeables kind of everything in my toy bag right now.


Mickey Gordon  1:01:09

You know what I noticed about the rechargeable part though? It’s a micro USB.


Mallory Gordon  1:01:12

Micro USB. Yeah. So like regular old your phone charger can return? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don’t turn it on dad. It’s super super, this why it is super quiet. I’m kidding. And I’ve been sitting here for so it’s got seven functions, which means it’s got certain degrees of level right as far as the intensity, the vibration, and then pattern vibration to it, right. So may do some short bursts and long bursts, then pause and some short bursts and long burst and pause and the intensities are, you know, different. I’m not a mode girl or function girl. But because I get really annoyed because right when I feel like I’m gonna edit pauses, or it’s like when you tell your partner Oh, that feels so good. Keep doing that. And then they stop and they do something else. That’s kind of what it feels like. To me that’s doing intensity is really, really nice. So it’s got a nice scale. And what I love about this, so it’s got an on and off button. And if you hold on, there’s a function button. So it’s really simple. On function, good to go. Nice. But if you hold down the function button, what it will do is it started a low intensity, and then gradually increase the high intensity. So it’s almost no thought involved. It’s cool if I wanted to increase or decrease it. So I absolutely fucking love that. And what’s even better, easy instructions on how to lock the damn thing. So if Yeah, and I love traveling with a couple vibrators, I need them and when I’m traveling because I never have an opportunity to go out on my own when I’m out for work. So I’m going to 100% be masturbating in my hotel room by myself. And there’s nothing more embarrassing than when they pull your fucking suitcase out of the overhead compartment and go Whose is this? And everyone on the plane can hear it vibrating asked me how I know Oh, God, I wish I was there. And it’s and I can’t be like y’all whacking off and I can’t be like that’s my toothbrush cuz I don’t bring me electric Run with me.


Mickey Gordon  1:03:06

Sure, ma’am. That’s your toothbrush. So how do you compare the palm power extreme? And I said that, like, all the keywords are extreme. How do you compare that to the doxy, which is our like most favorite one.


Mallory Gordon  1:03:19

So I love the doxy wand, it’s similar weight, if it were a sword, and I’ve just we’ve watched fortune and fire lately, the balance is different. This is definitely heavier at the head because it’s got a high quality silicone flexible head. And I believe the motor is located right behind it. But it makes the handle nice and light, where the doxy it’s more balanced. You feel like equal weight distribution. Sure. So if I’m masturbating, it’s kind of a toss up between the two. It’s whether I like the standard wand sensation because the docks has got a higher RPM to it. So the vibrations feel different, even on low it’s think about when you’re going down on someone and it’s the same amount of pressure, but the cadence of the tongue flicking changes. I mean, I don’t know if really, as far as physics goes, that’s the best analogy. But that’s all I got right now. The docs is so wonderful. The head is not as flexible on the doxy. This has a little more play to it. But it still has stability. So it’s still firm enough to keep in place. I’ve had vibrators where the head just totally flexes backward. And you have to like write it like a bowl, just to kind of keep it in place if you’re you know, hitting the right spots.


Mickey Gordon  1:04:35

So for straight masturbation. Would you still go with the doxy because of its build quality battery life


Mallory Gordon  1:04:41

sucks is still gonna be one of my favorites, hands down. And I actually think it’s essentially replaced my Hitachi because and I love the Dachi It’s great. It’s just so fucking big. Yes. And then I look at like, like I’m an average size woman. I’m only five five. I say only but that’s another tall For short, I’m right in the middle. But like I think of smaller women with smaller hands trying to use a Hitachi and that’s got to be extremely cumbersome holding times Unless, you know, they’re like, you know, super built and have really strong risks. And, you know, I don’t know like, I’m all about more comfort. I feel like that episode of Grayson, Frankie I can’t even think of it. It’s a Netflix show, I watched with Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda. And they created this vibrator for old lady older ladies because they have issues with like carpal tunnel and arthritis and everything. And I’m kind of, I’m getting to a point where comfort is, is it important, just as important as quality as well. And that’s why I love the doxy I really like this I actually have only played with myself. So I’m looking forward to a session tonight to see how it does under pressure. So more to come, folks. Yeah, see what I did there. But as a masturbation toy, this is absolutely fantastic. And I would, it’s not so big that I wouldn’t travel with it. I’ve never traveled with my Hitachi even the rechargeable one because it is fairly large and I’m carry on only if I can get away with a girl and this won’t impede that. And it’s got to travel. And it’s got a travel lock which is a big deal. It’s a huge deal. I hate being embarrassed


Mickey Gordon  1:06:18

sorry captain. That’s just my vibrate Yeah, well there you go folks. That is the pomp our extreme that is a toy that is available on casual you can check it out in our brand new fancy ass search engine. The upper left hand corner if you click search you can even spell that shit wrong. It will bring up the right toy for you at the right time and look for any Yeah, what I love that new search engine Yeah, to use it.


Mallory Gordon  1:06:40

And I’ll tell you what, like the the doxy retails for what $220 Exactly. So it’s a it’s a pretty high end toy. This is half that 103 50 Yes Have that cost and if you reach out or use our ambassador or affiliate links codes, save some cash on it too. So this is so high quality item at a lesser cost. Sure.


Mickey Gordon  1:07:01

I think it’s a great thing. And make sure to check out those ambassadors of ours for casual toys. There’s ambassadors are alleycat and honey spoon in the baby pineapple at twitter. Yeah, you can find them on Twitter. So harass them those ladies have done a great job for us out there just honestly answering questions for you guys. That’s why they’re ambassadors. Yeah, they do a lot with our laundry lines a lot. And we have a lot of kisses back in stock. Oh yeah, lots of kicks. These are back in stock. So that’s kind of a big deal. And also we carry Levin’s now.


Mallory Gordon  1:07:29

Those are so correct me if I’m wrong. Levin’s is one of those Apotex toys that we’ve seen on like only fan sites and like chatterbait and stuff like that we got some pink sticking out of the posi elevens I have a little man in the boat that’s very very pink.


Mickey Gordon  1:07:45

Well that’s that’s loving. But yeah, no Levin’s is she’s right. That’s the chatterbait all the rage because people can control it remotely. And so all the elevens app actually lets you connect to sites like chatterbait Pornhub I think has a plugin for it where you can actually okay you know that connect with your listeners your followers so if you are a creator out there Levin’s make some great products and we carry them all in casual now that’s awesome. I’m pretty excited about it. You want to tell everybody how to how to find us we can get out of this long you know, you can make it a short one because we’ve only been here about 10 minutes for Toy Box


Mallory Gordon  1:08:19

guys, we fucking missed you. Thanks for hanging in there with us. We’re gonna get you know, get back up to speed here and hold Mickey to his word. We’re casual swinger everywhere. Please feel free to shoot us a note if you have any questions or comments podcasts at casual swinger Comm. You’d find us on social media, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube or on the dating sites. W nation Cassidy SLS in Assisi.


Mickey Gordon  1:08:39

She’s gotten better at it as the episode has gone along. Join us next time, folks, when we’re going to bring our friends the monogamous marriage. You’re going to join us for the next episode. As we wrap up season three. You’ve been listening to the swinger

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Kissy, Mickey Gordon, Jack, Mallory Gordon


Mallory Gordon  00:08

Welcome to casual swinger. If you’re under 18, the following podcast is not appropriate for you. The subjects and language are for mature audiences only. If you’re not mature in nature, just make sure you’re old enough to vote. We don’t take ourselves seriously ever. no guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any opinions or statements made on this podcast or website or a blog. It’s all in fun, folks. This isn’t Dr. Phil. Now consider yourself the listener properly advised. Hey, everybody, welcome back to casual swinger. I’m Mallory. Hi, Mickey. Hi, baby. A lady.


Mickey Gordon  00:59

Tonight. You leader sitting there in your robe.


Mallory Gordon  01:03

I know I look homeless right now.


Mickey Gordon  01:06

Maybe a little, almost sat around with lipstick and a robe on?


Mallory Gordon  01:10

I don’t know, I just want to be comfy. So we’re back? Episode 17 of season two.


Mickey Gordon  01:18

That’s right. We’re, we’re kicking around.


Mallory Gordon  01:20

Yeah. kicking around with jack and kissy, we have an interview lined up for you guys, with a couple we met through social media actually, to start. And then we had the pleasure of having a conversation with them in Jamaica. And they agreed to join us for the show.


Mickey Gordon  01:34

Yeah, they started out as listeners, which was really, really cool. They were really, really nice to us and said a bunch of nice things and then tracked us down on the beach at Hito. And, man, I tell you what they told us a story that laid me out,


Mallory Gordon  01:47

I think they have several stories laid out. But it was so fascinating. It was hard not to ask them to share that with the universe, right?


Mickey Gordon  01:56

kind of felt like they had to I mean, it was a moral imperative.


Mallory Gordon  02:01

Very much, so very much so. And their origin story is what really got me and I didn’t get that part when we met them in Jamaica,


Mickey Gordon  02:08

you know, having done the interview, because that’s the way this podcasting shit works. Folks, we could do the interview in the mean, come back and tell you what we did. But you know, this, their communication was probably the most solid, trusting communication I’ve ever encountered in the lifestyle. And I was like, we have to let you tell your story on the show. And I think that’s what our listeners you’re going to hear here in a few minutes. Is that these guys dated most of the talking in this episode when because we’d ask them a question, pull their string and off they go. Yeah. And it was so good. And, man, I gotta tell you, jack is the most passionate dude, like about kisi and about life and about telling stories?


Mallory Gordon  02:45

Oh, yeah, they’re madly in love with each other. And I was so impressed. And you mentioned their communication, it not only is it healthy, it’s empowering for both of them. It’s absolutely supportive. I mean, if if I have to give like top three examples of couples that I know that communicate very, very well and have had success because of it, they’re definitely up there. Oh, God.


Mickey Gordon  03:08

Yeah. And, you know, I just I felt like we had to when they told me their stories like that absolutely has to get out. People have to hear about and I’m going to tell you right now, as a listener, you might hear this story and not believe it. But they actually took pictures. And they’re on a website. It’s a hot white forum, and I’m gonna post a link in our show notes. So you can actually go see the photos of this event that you will just not believe that happened. But


Mallory Gordon  03:34

I know and I’m tempted to paint some picture, but I don’t want to ruin it for anyone. Oh, no, I


Mickey Gordon  03:39

want you to listen through the end of this episode. And you got to hang in there. Right? This is going to be a little longer episode for us than most of our usual episodes. It’s not like a two and a half hour episode or anything now. No, we don’t want to Yeah, yeah. But it’s it’s maybe you know, 1520 minutes longer than usual. And it’s because we wanted them to tell that story and you got to hear it and you know, if you have any interest in the hot wife or the cook lifestyle or stag vixen, you’re gonna be into this


Mallory Gordon  04:00

or even the creative influences because the second half of the interview they were telling us of how they took that element and and dabbled in some creative roleplay Oh, my God. Yeah,


Mickey Gordon  04:10

they’re role playing that I’m not


Mallory Gordon  04:11

gonna ruin it. But we’re not No, no, no, no, I am. I am totally boring compared to that. Right.


Mickey Gordon  04:17

So well, let’s let’s move on. Because we’re just going to end up telling the story and I don’t want you. Okay, let’s move on. So you know, this is the part where we usually go, Hey, time for crappy ads. Now what? No more crappy ads.



I’m so done. We’re done. We


Mickey Gordon  04:29

hate doing it. We hated doing it. So what we’re going to do is every once in a while we’ll drop a reminder of something we’re doing or what’s up or where we’re going to be, but no more fucking ads ad suck. It’s just do this for money. We don’t do this to sell stuff. We do have casual toys. If you want to find it, go to our website. It’s there. Somebody will tell you about it. That’s great. But


Mallory Gordon  04:50

yeah, and I mean, if you want to find out where we’ll be. I mean, we have it on social media. You can message us directly.


Mickey Gordon  04:56

And you know, if we’re doing something that’s really cool, we’ll talk about it and we’ll get to that in a minute. Because we are going to Nashville and we want you guys to know about it, because we’re going to do a room block down there. But before we get to that, since we did mention casual toys, you probably should tell everybody that the site is still Yeah,


Mallory Gordon  05:10

I’m I’m so broken hearted man the patriarchy like who knew how hard it would be to sell rubber decks?


Mickey Gordon  05:17

I thought rubber digs made people happy. Bankers happy apparently. So long story short what happened to casual toys. People ask me this every friggin day right now. And I’m going to tell you casual toys is still a thing. I’m almost done setting up the new bank stuff. But what happened is my inventory provider that loaded inventory into my site loaded in all this stuff I’m not allowed to sell. And when that happened, my credit card merchant bank provider was like, oh, and so we got shut down. So I couldn’t take credit cards anymore. So there’s no point showing you all the cool stuff you can buy. That’s pretty much what happened.


Mallory Gordon  05:48

Yeah. Yeah. And we can go in the whole diatribe about the patriarchy and high risk and you know, what we’re allowed to sell and why but I don’t think it’s worth listener’s time


Mickey Gordon  05:58

and how it totally fucked over our Valentine’s Day shopping rush.


Mallory Gordon  06:01

Yeah, I had the cutest little love sacks. Ready?


Mickey Gordon  06:04

I know you can play with my love sack. Okay. on your face. Oh my god. Just rub it on your face. Don’t bat it around. Because


Mallory Gordon  06:13

that’s probably my face like a cat like with catnip Meryl. Brown her a little bit. You got it.


Mickey Gordon  06:19

All right. So anyway, you know what we really need to do. We need to thank people for their awesomeness. If you listen to other creators this week and other podcasts this week.


Mallory Gordon  06:30

Yeah, I’ve listened to everybody and I, my face hurts from smiling and laughing and blushing. If I’m being honest, I do. I’m not I, I do secretly love affirmations like in passing, but I never know how to take a compliment. And I’ve had to stop several. And just pause for a second because I’m starting to get really emotional. You know,


Mickey Gordon  06:55

my favorite thing that I hear from the people that we meet out in the wild, and from the other creators is that hanging out with us and listening to the show don’t feel different. And I love that. I love that, that that’s what we bring to the table. It’s because we are who we are. We really don’t put on a show for you guys. We don’t come out here. And I mean, I’m not kidding, Mallory’s sitting here in her room. But you know, it’s when we get together, we get to throw a party for you guys. And that’s what we got to do. It’s secrets, we got to throw a party for our friends. And they were friends we haven’t met yet, just like all of you everybody out there, just friends we haven’t met yet. And we got to do that. And it was so friggin cool. And everybody had so much fun. And I think that’s what I loved. It wasn’t like a big affirmation, from my perspective, as much as it was. They actually had a good time. That’s the affirmation.


Mallory Gordon  07:42

Right? Right. That’s where reward because we do have that. Would that would you call that like element of conversion? Very much. So yeah, seeing other people have a great time and being able to engage and feel like I’ve known these people for a long time. And even though that was maybe the first time we met face to face, and again, building this tribe and having this community i i don’t know what i do without it at this point. Yeah,


Mickey Gordon  08:06

I mean, I don’t know that we have to twist people’s arm to get him to come to Orlando in the winter, but it was awesome. And we’re gonna go see some of those people which I’m really really really excited. Yeah, yeah, I heard most of them are gonna be in Nashville.


Mallory Gordon  08:18

Yeah, what I was listening to Bob and Nikki’s escapades they said they’ve definitely come back to secrets. So let’s let’s twist their arms a little bit for maybe something in summer.


Mickey Gordon  08:27

Can I twist Nikki’s nipples I don’t really want to play. I want to watch t shirt Cox all over the place. I don’t want to get too close.


Mallory Gordon  08:34

I’m gonna get him a little cape for his penis. If he’s gonna shirt khaki. Got it, like style it up.


Mickey Gordon  08:39

Whatever. I’m gonna put a top out on mine. It’s kind of nice. I love that a little monocle for the eye.


Mallory Gordon  08:44

So what else we got going on?


Mickey Gordon  08:46

So we’re going to Nashville and we’re gonna go to Minaj Yeah, we’re gonna be there on April 4, good job a check me out. I got that date, right only took me two tries. We’re gonna go there with double date nation or naughty escapades and euphoria Chronicles. So look forward to that. If you guys live in the area, you’re nearby, come down and hang out with us and say hi, if you don’t live in the area, check out our website, we are going to put up a room block at a local hotel, we actually kind of picked one it’s a little bit older. And it’s not as nice as some of those downtown hotels that are like right downtown, but it’s a little bit cheaper. And we’re not going to be in there that long. Anyway, we’re going to be out partying. So that room block should be able to save you some money, stay in downtown and get you to hang out with some of your favorite podcasters and also casual swinger.


Mallory Gordon  09:34

And also, I like that, you know what I’ll say like, what empowering women and talk about non monogamy and ethical mis behind it and kink and we’ll be doing Kegels Yeah, yeah. So I had a great conversation today and there’s gonna be more to come, but I’ve been asked to participate in a panel regarding our lifestyle. That’s amazing. Yeah. Yeah, I feel very honored. I’m very, very excited about it. If you guys want to check it out, this is actually a free all day long webcast that they’re doing on many, many topics. It’s live dot International, kinky women’s It’s really cool. That’s gonna be Sunday, March 8,


Mickey Gordon  10:14

so it’s not too far away. So we’ll probably talk about that more.


Mallory Gordon  10:16

Yes. Okay. I’ll get more details. tell you which panel I’m gonna be speaking on specifically. Thank you. huge shout out to Venus cuckoldry sv.


Mickey Gordon  10:24

Check her out. Yeah, Shadow podcast. Now we’re gonna have her on soon.


Mallory Gordon  10:27

Yes, yes, I would love to.


Mickey Gordon  10:29

Alright, that’s pretty awesome. So you’ll have to tell me more about that? Because I haven’t had a chance to talk about it too much yet, but it’s no


Mallory Gordon  10:34

no, we’ve had a crazy busy day. So we’ll get into some more and we’ll do some posts on social media to give our listeners more information.


Mickey Gordon  10:39

Hey, do you hear that noise in the background?


Mallory Gordon  10:41

The rabble rousing?


Mickey Gordon  10:42

That sounds like cock blocking. Does it sound like hack blocking? Yeah, it sounds like cock blocking. That’s our dog right now. But it’s not just dogs that cock blocked us.


Mallory Gordon  10:49

Now we have a specific trial this time. It isn’t at trial. Epic cock block. So we had some lifestyle friends come in from Pennsylvania. It was so great to see them and it felt like again, like we’ve known them forever. Like there’s just this comfort and freedom when they’re around. I don’t know. I can’t I’ve been looking for a word.


Mickey Gordon  11:10

Yeah, there’s something about those two and it’s been that way since the first time I hung out with Matt naughty and it just they there’s this ease. Yeah.


Mallory Gordon  11:18

I think it’s the lightning in the bottle. A little bit as x ray super


Mickey Gordon  11:21

cool. They’re I mean, she’s sexy is should I’m not gonna say


Mallory Gordon  11:26

that. I’m not. what’s what’s your favorite color? yoga? Oh my god, her yoga pants kills me.


Mickey Gordon  11:34

I stole that from TIFF. By the way. Yeah. Yeah, that is stamps. Yeah, that is tips line. But man yoga pants is definitely my favorite color. So I agree with you tip if you’re listening to this baby.


Mallory Gordon  11:45

Yeah, gosh, you arm all weekend. It was amazing. Our children are older. But you know, they still live at home and especially the older one she knows, right? She’s an adult like a legitimate adult. So she has an idea of what’s going asshole. She is such an s also. We never tell her kids. No, of course they can socialize. And that’s part of our lives and our dynamic, right? Especially here at home. And they were so kind and so understanding and entertained it. But that pitch held in there all night long.


Mickey Gordon  12:18

She did and so something for you. Because you guys are probably out there listening. Well what the fuck your kids round of lifestyle people around for? because number one our oldest knows about our lifestyle number one and number two. We weren’t doing anything. We were just hanging out with friends. Right? Everybody was dressed and there was nothing Yeah, obvious to her. But at the same time, we were like, you can leave anytime.


Mallory Gordon  12:38

Right? Because like there were quite a few moments where it felt right. But the environment wasn’t right.


Mickey Gordon  12:43

No, no. And it’s like, okay, it’s probably not gonna happen. It still felt like cock blocking, though. And you know, I think the worst cock blocker might not be the asshole get?


Mallory Gordon  12:50

No, it’s usually asked because we get in that mode, where we’re entertaining and engaging with people and being hyper social and D from euphoria. actually mentioned this on their last podcast, too. She did that. It’s hard. And it really is to get out of that mental state and cycles and be present. And and go for those opportunities when they’re there.


Mickey Gordon  13:12

Yeah. And I was just talking to Nisha last night on Facebook, and oh, faces in Atlanta is you know, a party that happens once a month. Oh, my God. We need to go there and see those guys. We do we love them to pieces. But they were having the she says that she almost never plays when they have parties because she’s so busy hosting and entertaining, that she never gets to have any fun. And her husband does have all the fun.


Mallory Gordon  13:33

I totally got it. You know, I’m there. Like my role is to make sure everyone has a good time.


Mickey Gordon  13:38

There was a post earlier this week. And I want to say it was something that Aaron posted on secrets, when she talked about how, like, what is your What is your secret, right? What is what is your thing, or that you would like to change about yourself in the lifestyle and I said, I would love to know when to get out of that entertaining mode. But it’s my comfort zone. I’m comfortable making people laugh. I’m comfortable that way. And I’m not comfortable asking for the business. I’m not comfortable saying to somebody, hey, I like you. And I want you to like me too. So let’s go play. I don’t know that I could say that. It would be very out of character for me to say,


Mallory Gordon  14:18

you know, I got to thinking about it. And a lot of the experiences we’ve had either I have initiated as a group format play, or the other couple are female has only on a couple rare occasions that I can identify that you were I don’t want to say aggressor, because that sounds like a little creepy. Like you’re like


Mickey Gordon  14:37

yeah, and then I look at them and I say I want you and they say well


Mallory Gordon  14:43

I’m not gonna do this again if you keep hitting that button. Seriously. So annoying.


Mickey Gordon  14:51

It’s my happy button.


Mallory Gordon  14:53

No, that’s not your happy button. No. So between your taint your ass


Mickey Gordon  15:00

So anyway, you know, between us cock blocking ourselves and yeah, there was a kid that kept hanging around callery kid she’s in her 20s but, you know, we we definitely had a super hot couple come stay with us for a couple nights and actually, we had other hot couples that came and stayed with us and cock block then and then we had couples come back and visit and cock blocked again. So we have this kind of cock blocking theme going on. But no one’s hitting the floor.


Mallory Gordon  15:23

No one’s shutting the floor. And I think I’m going to cock block her when her boyfriend comes to say that we’re going to all invading her bedroom


Mickey Gordon  15:30

and watching a movie together. Anybody want to hang out? Yeah. Can we watch something on TV in your room? Let’s play game. Do you need to snuggle


Mallory Gordon  15:38



Mickey Gordon  15:41

How do you guys cock block your kids? dearest listeners? I’m curious. We’re gonna find a way to do it. But


Mallory Gordon  15:46

yeah, you’re asking for advice. Yes, that’s what you just said. That’s what I want. Oh, God,


Mickey Gordon  15:53

I can’t wait to hear what people say on Twitter. No, no, no. Oh, this is gonna be interesting. It’s gonna be awesome. But hey, we have a great couple for you guys. They’re amazing. Their communication is crazy. It’s going to be a story that I think you guys are gonna want to talk about for a long time when you find out exactly what they did. And I think they are the cuckold World Champion couple as far as I’m concerned. So we’ve got them coming up for you here in a minute. Their name is Jacqueline kissy and maybe we tell everybody how to find us and we get the hell out of here. What do you think?


Mallory Gordon  16:25

Sure. Let’s do this. You guys. You can find us on social media as casual swinger, that’s Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram. You can find our website casual swinger comm and send us a message there or directly to our email podcast at casual swinger Comm. If you want to find us on the sites we are on SLS, STC Cassidy double date nation, quiver and Is that it?


Mickey Gordon  16:50

Oh, I think it’s enough. Yeah. Probably enough. Hey, folks, stay tuned. We’ll be back in just a minute with the amazing jackin kissy, we’re just kicking around. You’ve been listening to casual swinger. Hey, everybody, welcome back to casual swinger. My name is Mickey.


Mallory Gordon  17:27

And I’m Mallory. Oh, do


Mickey Gordon  17:29

we have something? You guys so excited? So we’re super excited we have on the phone with us today. A real life breathing real life hair and beard. Maybe no beard buddy cuckold couple, but her name is jack in kissy jacking kisi. How you guys doing today? Fantastic. Doing great. That’s really good. That’s better than good. Wonderful. So are you great because of something else or



just today?



There’s always something to be great about?


Mickey Gordon  18:00

Well, first things first, I think we need to thank these guys. Thank you for joining us and your willingness to talk about your story a little bit. And you guys, you’re busy. You guys are business owners, you guys are hard workers, you raised a family. So to take that time, it’s really not easy to bear your lifestyle like this.


Mallory Gordon  18:15

No, it’s a lot like baring your soul. So we’re very appreciative that you took the time and want to discuss this with us



and our listeners. Well, we are super excited. And Nikki Mallory, you too, are awesome. And we were so excited to be able to get to know you better. And talk last time we were at keto. So I’m super excited to do this. I think it’s gonna be really fun.


Mallory Gordon  18:36

Oh, that really was a wonderful experience. For me. I don’t think you I really articulated how impactful that was to be able to have those conversations face to face, because you could have a really ignorant maddix like personalities, your your beautiful humans to begin with, but your attitude, your demeanor, how you guys interact with each other. I that’s probably something I’ll remember for years to come if nothing else, and this conversation. Like me, they really, really like me. You know what,


Mickey Gordon  19:08

I never forget meeting you guys because you guys walked up and you’re like, we’re listeners and we’re jacking Casey. And I’m like, Oh my god, you guys. I know exactly who you guys. Yeah. And then when you started telling me your story, my jaw just got closer and closer to the ground. And I’m like, we cannot not have these guys on the show. We have to get them. Yeah,


Mallory Gordon  19:26

I have to grieve so positive and so unique. It’s this is just a real treat.


Mickey Gordon  19:31

So for everybody that hasn’t picked that up already. If you’re living under a rock or just not fucking listening right now, we met these guys on the beach in Jamaica. And so many times we get to meet people, you know, in live and in living color on the beach. And that’s what happened at Hito. And we got to share their story. So you guys, you have a really interesting story. I know you guys have been together for well over 20 years, you know that you’ve known each other has been married, what, seven years. So yeah, tell us a little bit about your story. Tell us about your origin story, how you met how long you’ve been in the lifestyle how you discovered this, this dynamic.


Kissy  20:09

So, yeah, I mean, it’s funny because we, we, we love talking about our story because we’re, we’re so passionate about each other. But we’re, like, super passionate about our story as well. So we’ve known each other for 25 years, we’ve been married for seven, we actually met at work. And we work together for the first 10 years of that, of that relationship. I actually interviewed jack for the job that he was applying for at our company. And it’s kind of interesting, because we just, we did not like each other the first few years that we knew each other. We were just like, Okay, this is not good.


Mickey Gordon  20:52

There’s a little bit of a power dynamic from the start. I mean, wow,


Jack  20:56

yeah. Well, I’ll always remember when she interviewed me, though, she had on these Burgundy, nylons, and this little dress, and I was like, she’s, she’s kind of hot. But, but I found out, you know, relatively soon after that she’s a little bit long. But, you know, eventually, we kept going through bosses like, we work together in the same department. And we’d have a boss and a year later, he’d leave a year later, she’d leave in a year. And we, we realized, we’re the survivors. And we have to kind of like, work together to make things work. And we developed a really cool synergy, like we just, you know, we were each other’s, you know, wingman when it came to work. And it was just, it was a really awesome, awesome working relationship. And then we worked together for 10 years. And eventually I left the company. And kissies marriage had ended. We were married to, you know, other people. And I was going through, I was going through a separation, too. I remember I even asked some friends, like, I want to ask to see out. But we had this great really working relationship of protonic you know, someone told me, no, you got to ask her out. And so I did. And we started dating and it was like, instant soulmates? I mean, I swear it was, it was just we were made for each other. But kisi was very careful on not crossing the sanctity of marriage. So you know, I was still married. I mean, I was separated, but we’re still married. And so she basically said, we’re, we’re not having sex. So we ended up exploring so many different ways on how not to have sex, like first daily, second base, third base, sliding into home so closely, every like, I mean, we explored for play one on one, one or two, like we could teach college classes. And so you got your masters and four, I decided I decided anal sex wasn’t sexy. I was just


Mickey Gordon  23:08

gonna say, support me in this guy’s anal doesn’t count. Right? Plenty I told you. We can totally do that. That make your drunk. That was an epic declaration. By the way. That’s fantastic. Very pleased by that, because it supports everything. I’ve been telling Mallory for years and years and years. Don’t even. That’s awesome. So how did you trip into this sexual dynamic that you discovered? Because it sounds like you guys, you had I mean, you had a mutual bonding over hatred of your bosses. And then you came together. And you started finding a way to be together in ways that didn’t violate, you know, where your values were? Yeah, your marriage. Yeah. Next thing, you know this. So talk about it a little bit? How did you find this?


Kissy  23:52

So I think it really started from that not wanting to cross that line until jack was actually divorced. And it just forced us to think about our relationship in a different way and kind of explore the different naughty aspects of life without without, you know, having sex. It was really was just kind of how we started that. And, you know, being able to look at the different the different ways to explore each other and explore each other’s bodies, and really get to know each other on an intimate level. And it brought about this, you know, kind of a whole nother level of vulnerability and just closeness within us.


Mickey Gordon  24:38

That’s fascinating if there was a denial in the beginning from the very beginning in it, and that’s I’m just sitting over here beaming year to year because it’s the coolest thing ever. It is


Jack  24:48

well, I think there’s, there’s there’s a little bit more to it as well, right. Not only were we exploring the naughty side, but we also just came off of failed marriages, right? And we knew that the statistics are second marriages are twice as likely to fail. And so we were like exploring marriage survival, because we’re like, we knew we were going to get married, we’re just dating and we’re studying all these books on on, you know, second marriages and how to make marriages survive and stuff like that. And I just, I learned a lot about, you know, what, what Jesse’s needs were, what a wife, you know, top needs were and, and how important that was to, you know, to make sure that I take care of, in order to get my needs met, because, you know, her needs, and my needs really are different. I mean, husbands and wives needs are not wired the same. And so I learned, like, you know, hurt her number one need the big day, then it’s not a no, it’s a function, you know, how to shower her with affection that come home, give her hugs, right, her love notes, you know, all those, all those things that guys are really wired to do, you have to, like, literally write reminders of, of how to do some of these things, the communication piece, you know, the transparency piece, so I became her rock star to meet her needs. And then she was kind of open minded. Right, like, because I realized, like, Okay, he’s doing all this stuff to really try to take care of me, for us it early in our relationship, it really made that a very key piece of us getting just like super in tune to what each other needed and wanted.


Mallory Gordon  26:39

absolutely loved that,



you know, she made me feel very comfortable, like to explore these fantasies, you know, I had some guilt and stuff from you know, first marriages, sometimes there’s a lot of restrictions and things and you explore a second marriage and, and you have a wife that is like, no, let let your fantasies come out. It’s okay. And she allowed me to, to do that. And with that, you know, one of my big fantasy was seen her with another with another man definitely would explore it a little bit like out in public, like she, she’d go into the bar dress a little floody and stuff and, and she’d go in alone. And I’d come in, like 1020 minutes later to watch like all the guys sitting on her get, of course, I know, I never hit on.


Mallory Gordon  27:25

I seriously doubt that because kisi you’re gorgeous,



I would sit at the bar alone, like, really? Like, can you please just come talk to me.


Mallory Gordon  27:37

I absolutely love this. So you guys have already framed this in such a beautiful way you you started off, you know, not having the physical, like, actual intercourse with each other. So you allowed yourself to be vulnerable, open that up for exploration, where a lot of times we kind of bump or skip over foreplay. And with that vulnerability that you guys had with each other, maybe that had an element and that level of comfort to open up those lines of communication to kind of get you guys where you were or where you are today. So absolutely my question for you both, because you kind of said you kind of tickled around this track that you know, maybe there was a little repression going on in your your previous relationships, did you kind of have any idea what your fantasies and kinks are? Now, as they related to you back then? Did you did you kind of know or did you ever have those thoughts prior?


Jack  28:33

That’s a good question. I you know, to a degree. But it’s funny because I think I think about you know, just even when TC and I started dating, we sort of explore and into, you know, the things that that we made reality and it just it always has blown my mind that I couldn’t even like currently even conjure up the fantasies that we’ve that we’ve lived out like back then I wouldn’t never have dreamt of the damn naughty things we’ve done. I had some of those fantasies early on but to to meet someone to really to make me not feel guilty about exploring those like we would go to bed and I’d say something I’m like, I’m sorry. I’ve literally apologize. She’s like, Oh my god, this is fantasy. Let anything you want. This is just fantasy. It’s okay. It’s like Not really. Okay, here we go. How about you?


Mickey Gordon  29:35

How about you? kisi Did you see yourself in this? Did you have any inclination prior to this, that this was something that would actually fulfill you as well, not at all.


Kissy  29:44

My first marriage was a very friendly marriage. You know, but it was a very vanilla marriage. When I first started had exploring different things with jack. It really just opened up this whole different sexual experience that I just never even considered in life when he would fantasize and we would be in bed together. Like once he got divorced, and we actually could have sex. He was fantasize about, you know, me being with another man. And I was like, okay, like, I can have sex with like a whole bunch of people. This is awesome.


Mallory Gordon  30:23

You’re starting to turn in, you’re like that. I think that actually turns me a lot like


Kissy  30:27

from like, the hat life perspective. Like, this is amazing, right? If I can interrupt when we, we did all this fancy stuff. And then one day I asked her, What if we make it reality? and kiss me? You said what? I was like, Okay, well, that’s not gonna happen. You know, jack? Well, just because I was so I was so afraid of bringing it into, like reality and him being hooked by it. You know, that the, you know, it’s one thing to do fantasy, right? And anything’s possible in fantasy. But when you’re actually like, in a room and another person, there’s fucking your wife, like, that’s gonna mess with your mind. Right? So it’s really, really afraid of that. And no, it’s not. No, it’s not. No, it’s not. Well, let’s,


Mickey Gordon  31:25

let’s kind of talk about that a little bit. kisi. And I’d like you to start because I think that there’s a huge empowerment aspect to this lifestyle. This this aspect of the lifestyle, the hot wife, cuckold. There’s a lot of names where it’s stag, vixen, and I think you guys don’t really, you really don’t embody a particular name. Because you guys are so just you I really feel like you deserve your own category. But so let’s talk about fear for a minute. Was it scary for you? kisi. And jack, I’m gonna give you a chance to give your part of this in a second. But was it scary to go through this discovery phase and, and really evolve? And tell us about any trials or tribulations tell us about something that that popped up? Maybe that didn’t go perfectly? Because I think a lot of times we talk about our lifestyle, and we talk about the things we do, we always talk about the great stuff, but we don’t talk about our bumps and bruises and the scars that we earned along the way. So Was it scary? And tell us how you fucked it up?


Kissy  32:21

Well, we did. For sure. Um, I mean, cuz we didn’t have any clue what we were doing. Right? I mean, we had no idea about, you know, different, you know, like, lifestyle types of organizations or anything, like, when we had the idea of, like, Hey, I wonder if, you know, we could make this reality, like, all we knew about was Craigslist, right? So it’s a whole different dynamic there. Or we would, you know, we’d meet someone that kind of organically and we would go out to a club and there was, you know, a particular guy that I was very attracted to, and, you know, I would try, you know, we would flirt a little we’d, you know, kind of make out a little at the bar or something. But when you bring up that conversation about, you know, something else happening, and, you know, he got, like, all freaked out, right? It, it’s really difficult to, to try to meet someone organically, without them already being in a, you know, forum or situation where they’re already looking for that kind of dynamic,


Mallory Gordon  33:32

almost shocking to them, I would imagine.


Jack  33:34

Oh, yeah. So we had, you know, we had met a guy or I had met a guy, you know, when I was like, I’d like him. He’s kind of cool. And, you know, we were getting a little naughty, kind of in this booth at the bar. And, you know, eventually he kind of like whispered in my ear, like, hey, I want to be alone with you. So I kind of you know, so I, in turn, told jack, he wants to be alone with me. And basically made jack go away. So I have this amount of time with, you know, with this guy and the guy a little naughty. But then, you know, I go back to jack and we’re riding home and it’s just like, completely silent. Right? And it just was like, Okay, yeah, that’s not right. So this, it wasn’t what I wanted to happen. I mean, I sat on a bench outside of the bar, and I’m like, Okay, I’m not seeing any of the things that are going well, this isn’t what I wanted to happen. I mean, I wanted to be there, him sending me away. You know, I literally got kind of like, heartbroken, but at the same time, I wasn’t angry. I’m like, she’s thinking that I’m into this, but I’m like, you know, sad and you’re in timeout. No, this is. Yeah, I’m going to timeout. And, and so she so the ride home, you know, she knew I was hurt and she you know our vows sweet. Or to protect each other’s hearts. And she just basically said, we’re done. We’re not doing this. This isn’t going well. So I had to like, we had to talk through it. And I had to like, convince her like, no, this, this guy just wasn’t the one. It’s okay, what happened tonight, I want to try again. We learn from our mistakes. You learn like this the first time we ever did something like this, and we’re a little wiser now we’ll be smarter, we won’t, we’ll make sure that he’s like, yeah, I want to be with you, but not with him around. Well, then that’s not the right guy. Because that’s not a you know, the cuckold hot waves dynamic that we were looking for somewhere like that, you know, there are different dynamic different degrees of the cuckold dynamic. And some, you know, I think it’s pretty, like extreme where some couples want their wife to actually end up leaving them for the other guy. Like, I’m not that crazy, you know, she’s a good cook, and makes more money than I do.


Mallory Gordon  36:03

I love it. I absolutely love it. So I could absolutely sing your praises all day, I adore you guys. Your personality shine, you’re madly in love with each other. Do you think, you know, given the story you just, you know, gave us about, you know, your some of your first experiences there some bumps in the roads? Do you think that there’s a byproduct of being honest about your desires and having the ability to like act upon them? Do you think that’s been part of your process here?


Jack  36:32

Yeah. What’s your secret? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think from the beginning, you know, we, we were so focused on like, each other’s happiness, we had the ability, because we trusted each other completely, like to be completely vulnerable with each other with what we wanted, or what we needed, or the fact that, you know, jack leaves stuff in the sink, and it drives me crazy. You know, like, we’ll see. I know, right? So we’re checking in with each other all the time. And constantly. Yeah, it’s just, it is it’s just, it’s, we’re just so focused on like, what each other needs, and what each other wants, and being able to try to make that happen for the other person. And knowing that in return, that person is doing the same thing for jack, what about you? What Jesse says, Is his absolute truth, you know, it is that it’s having that communication piece, right? That’s the foundation and everyone says, Oh, you have to communicate, but you do. I mean, you really, you really have to be in tune with each other. And it is like, you know, what we haven’t, I haven’t really done anything naughty for a while. I start to whine a little. And it’s like, hey, what if we meet so and so or whatever, you know, and, and then, yeah, and you need that, but I need that. That’s all fun. Whether we do this together this, this whole, you know, naughty side of life isn’t necessery to an already rock star marriage, right? I mean, and, and I think that’s the key and people will ask, Well, don’t you get like jealous? Or don’t you get like worried? What if she falls for him? And I Good luck. I mean, I don’t think that’s gonna happen because of what we have in our, the foundation of what we’ve built. And I don’t, I don’t think anyone’s gonna steal her away with, you know, his giant cock. Because, you know, I can provide all the other things.


Mickey Gordon  38:42

So personally, what’s the most enriching part of a hot wife or cuckold dynamic for each of you, as relates to you as a person into your marriage? And is it the same thing



to see is the most gorgeous and erotic and sexiest. And she, she’s my pinup girl. And, and nobody could ever compare to that. And so I to be able to like, see that, like, see what I have. See this amazing woman with another man, that third party aspect. Like, like I, I just kind of want to watch what she does to me and like, Oh my god, and it’s that piece for me is just so freakin erotic. I guess. That’s kind of the core of the cuckold dynamic, but she’s just gorgeous and beautiful and erotic. And I love her and I love


Mallory Gordon  39:45

hearing your voice because I’m like, I think he’s getting a little hard right now. Right? Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  39:54

I love that when he talks about her from the time that I met jack that when he talks about kiss, he sounds like he’s opening a present. Some Christmas, yes,


Mallory Gordon  40:00

that’s a great analogy.



It’s perfect. Every time. Every time. jack is an excitable boy. So you do have to take that into consideration in any conversation. All right, well, let’s


Mickey Gordon  40:17

hear your side of it. kisi What is it about this dynamic? In particular, it’s enriching for you.


Kissy  40:23

Can I just say that I really like fucking a lot of people? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you get, like, I do really enjoy, like, just the physical action of the situations that we find ourselves in, which are, which are very interesting. And sometimes, but, you know, the, like, just that aspect of it is, you know, like something just I fundamentally enjoy, and knowing that seeing me with someone else is erotic to him. And something that ultimately enhances our marriage is just crazy, right? So the, the rule that we have is always about protecting each other. And, you know, anything that we do have to be something that ultimately enhances our marriage. And it’s not, you know, for the benefit of just one of us and not the other. So, being in a situation where I can see and have jack participate in something, and, you know, we have this very cool dynamic, but then afterwards, we also have the ability to, you know, have have months and sometimes years of fantasy fodder that, you know, we have within our marriage that constantly keeps the excitement, within, you know, what we’ve already dealt with each other. And that’s so cool. So I


Mallory Gordon  41:58

love that you use fantasy fatar. Because that’s a wonderful descriptor, and I’m totally stealing it because I love alliteration. It’s absolutely perfect in that there’s build up behind it. And it kind of sounds like did you specifically because he go through like this discovery phase where, you know, having some, you know, a partner like jack in your life and, and going down these paths together, did you find yourself becoming more in touch with your sexuality, your desires, whether that’s like, more intense, more frequent orgasms, and in a sense of like empowerment with embracing that study of your sexuality?


Kissy  42:35

I think certainly from a, you know, empowerment standpoint, absolutely. When I’m doing that, and knowing that kind of the actions that I’m taking are something that is also going to bring enjoyment for jack and bring pleasure into our marriage, I can play that role, right? So I can be the, you know, the person who flirts with someone at the bar, and, you know, engages in conversation and becomes that naughty person. And I know that I’m doing that all within a very safe place. Because one jack is, you know, watching that and making sure that I’m safe, or that we’ve set up this situation, and it’s, you know, a safe place for me to explore that kind of side.


Mallory Gordon  43:31

I love that. So you’re kind of like embracing, like, almost an alter ego, because it’s a little counter intuitive to be an introvert.



Yeah, it absolutely is. Yeah, cuz he’s a whole different person, then, like my normal person.


Mickey Gordon  43:46

I mean, I want to say crazy, but it’s not crazy. And like, uh, you know, you’re ripping your hair out in my dorm room kind of way, which that totally happened. I’ll tell that story sometime. But it’s, it’s more of a just a wow, like this dynamic. I mean, you know, it’s no secret that Kok holding is is a massively erotic and interesting thing for people everywhere. It was the number two porn search in 2018 on Pornhub, which is massive second only to lesbian. So other than eating pussy, we love to watch girls get fucked. But I want to ask you a little bit about your wedding because you guys came up to me on the beach. And you told me a story that knocked my dick in the dirt. I was blown away. So you guys came up to me and told me that you went Dutch to your own wedding. So I want to hear all about how you guys went Dutch at your wedding. And I’ll let you guys interweave the story together. So tell the story to us together. Tell the listeners of casual swinger about your wedding day


Mallory Gordon  44:48

Hold on, I’m getting popcorn.


Jack  44:53

Grab some popcorn, maybe a cocktail, or a cocktail. I make my drink. Let’s go. We had a decent size wedding, I think we had about 175 people and it was an outdoor wedding. And it was all family friends, our pastor of our church, you know, we plan you know, and then there was a big reception afterwards. And but we did a little planning with are very, his name is Dutch and in he was our very first, which we didn’t even get into that like how the very first how amazing it was to have somebody that is so good. And in the bowl role and how difficult that find and we found someone that was like set the gold standard. And really nobody has ever been able to recreate that and come close, and it kind of changed our glass. Just that to enter. Just to interrupt is a really big cock.



We call it a bull. that’s valid.


Jack  45:55

Yeah, right. So wait, he can broach the subject of so you’re getting married? And what if? What if I consummate your marriage on your wedding day? And we’re like, oh, how do we go about this? And prior to this, he’s already led us on some freakin crazy journeys, things that, you know, that’s a whole nother podcast, trust me. And so we started planning with him like, okay, so you’ll come like meet us at a park, about a mile away. It’s on a lake. And it’s a mile away from where we got married. And we’re going to meet him and get naughty. And so we started planning this and everything had a go right? The odds of this actually coming to fruition, were probably so slim, because number one, he had to be in town. He’s a military man. So he had to, like not be off somewhere. Number two, we had to escape our wedding in her white wedding dress in my talks or whatever, you know, and we had to be able to like, Hey, we’re gonna go take some sunset pictures by the lake. By the way, we’re not taking our wedding photographer with us. We’re gonna take another couple. No one was the wiser. Right? So so so all this planning had to go into it and everything had to be right. And so there came a point we had this couple there, there there the naughty, we call it the you know, I guess you call it the lifestyle. We like to call it the naughty, right? So anytime I say, Well, no, it is the lifestyle but not he just felt better. So we had this couple that we were friends with. And we’re like, you guys got to come with us. We’re pulling this off. You have to like be on guard for like anyone that may be coming in the area, you have to also be our photographers, because there was some photography that was happening to document that this just wasn’t some made up penthouse forum. Because even when we tell the story, it sounds so fiction because it still blows our minds to this day of what the hell we pulled off. So we leave our wedding with this other telco and where are you going to bring, you know, family of friends really, we’re just going to take some pictures, we’ll be back in just a half hour. We get there, he’s waiting for us in the car at this park, and he gets out before let’s get out. And we walk in to see and Dutch are holding hands, I’m behind them for white wedding dress, we go down by the little park area by the like a little private kind of Park area, but there’s nobody there are no kids or anything. And you know, friends are kind of like watching out making sure no one drives up and stuff. And, you know, it started again, nadion I’m holding up her white wedding dress so that, you know, he could be with my wife and and this is the first time that he decided he’s going to go bareback. And you know, we made sure he’s military. He does the tests and stuff like that. So we knew ahead of time this is cool. And literally like 45 minutes after we got married. There’s another man fucking my wife consummating my marriage. And hopefully mind blowing and then yeah, right. And then you know that that all know happened and then we have to get back to the wedding. It means like it you know, and he left and we got in the car went back to the wedding. And we get there. They’re like, Hey, you guys, we’re Where are you? We got it. You got to do the wedding dance. We got to we get up there. And we’re doing you know, okay, okay, my brain is just going crazy because I can’t you know, I’m ADHD To begin with, and I’m like, oh god, what just happened and, and she’s the worst started we prepped, we went to dance lessons for this wedding dance. Right? We were gonna like, throw it out there as friends and family of what rock stars we are at weddings. And so we start doing this awesome wedding dance and I’m forgetting all this stuff to see what did what did you watch for my. So I lean into him. And I’m like, that just comes running down my guys. Just like loses it.


Mickey Gordon  50:32

I’m wiggling. I’m really trying to speak and no words are coming out of this open hole in my Wow, he’s literally like you lost it lost it from there on. And so then from them, I’m like, okay, step one. Step right. me. He was like beefless and gone like, so you have 107 170 people are watching you and you have a deck so hard. A cat can’t scratch it. And you guys are trying to dance with a heart on and you’ve got to come running down your leg from another guy. Yeah, from Bob lake. And you still haven’t fucked your wife yet.



All right. Do I have that? Right? Do I have that? Right? I just make sure that I got all my notes here. That’s accurate. that’s accurate. Yep. And by the way,


Mickey Gordon  51:23

I I read the stories on the hotline. I went and looked you guys showed me there are photos, guys, and we’re gonna put them in the show notes. If you sign up for this forum, you sign up this one, you’re gonna see this story the way they wrote it. So just I mean, and I’m sitting here listening to this and hearing you guys laugh about this. And I’m so just enamored with the two of you that that I mean, for fucksakes. That fantasy, by the way, we had cuckoldry Venus on our show. And consultors Venus is a renowned cuckold dress. And one of her fantasies is to have a gangbang on her wedding night.


Mallory Gordon  51:59

And I’ll never forget that. I


Mickey Gordon  52:00

don’t know if I can ever pull that off. Because it’s gonna be so hard to pull that off. You guys come in a clear, easy second, and you managed to pull it off?


Kissy  52:08

I’m sure. Yeah, yeah, that’s could totally have actually pulled that off for us, I’m sure. So if I could speak about that for a minute, we were so fortunate to have met that as the first person that we experienced anything in what we call the naughty, we got in contact with him, eventually, you know, met him at a bar for a little meet and greet. And he was so instrumental in just educating us about the lifestyle and the dynamic, and what we were getting ourselves into, and basically said, you guys have no clue what you’re doing. And let me help you out. And he was awesome, right? Like, he was attractive, and he’s super nice. And he’s, you know, this hardcore military guy. And it just was like, the first person that, you know, Zack wants to, like, see me fucking someone like, like, it should be him for sure. So we had to, we had, like, you know, we had set up this meeting with him. And we booked this hotel room because we’re like, okay, our first meeting should be really special. And it’s be at this hotel room, and it to be, you know, all of this stuff. And ultimately, it was his ability to be the act as a true bowl within this situation. So he just was just mind fucking jack for, you know, a couple of weeks before this, and teasing him and playing with him and the dynamic around what he’s able to do prior to the situation and prior to anytime we do anything together was just really incredible. He really made that situation, just super comfortable for us, and, you know, pushed our limits, certainly. But in a really good way and just, you know, made it something that ended up being just an amazing night. And it was the start of what became, you know, very long term relationship. Like we still see him today. Someone that we you know, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s amazing. He’s, like we said, He’s led us on some very interesting situations that would would take a whole nother podcast to go into but it’s just one of those people that like we were so fortunate to have him as the first person that we had any exploration outside of our relationship. With that, it really made kind of everything going forward. Good.


Mallory Gordon  55:05

So it kind of sounds like he set the bar for beatable.



I’ll just give you an example. He’s like jack, this is before the very first ever date, you’re going to go to the pharmacy or to the store, wherever and you’re going to buy a box of Trojan XL Magnum condoms, and you are going to tell the clerk These are for my wife, lover, and she’s going to be there to make sure you fucking do that and say that to the clerk. Like I had to do it. Yeah. One of the things I mean, so he knew he knew how to be the puppet master, right? A good bull doesn’t just fuck your wife or you sit in the corner and watch that’s boring. I mean, it really is after I’m great the first time second time and it’s like, oh, whatever, but he was able to mindfuck me like crazy. I know I gotta I gotta ask this.


Mickey Gordon  55:58

Let’s let’s just back up for a second because even if people have read the swing szenario on casual swinger calm where bull is a term I have clearly not fucking defined this term well enough, jack, tell the listeners of casual swinger what is a bull and what differentiates a good bull from a bad bull before you tell us some more of the stories about how this guy mindfuck she because I got to know more. But I need to answer this question because people are going what’s a bull and I don’t know that context is enough.



A good bull is is a man who is confident and a man who obviously wants your wife. But also understand that this is a dynamic of three. This is bull. This is hot wife, and this is cuckold and all three are active participants in the dynamic in the relationship and he knows that I am I enjoy a certain degree of humiliation is literally is the biggest cock that kiss has ever been with. And so anyhow even intimidate me like jack, pull out your cocktail. fuck do I have to really because you’re like 12 plus inches, if not bigger, and like me?


Mallory Gordon  57:10

I’m starting to sweat. What?


Mickey Gordon  57:12

What does he feed it?



I really don’t. It’s insane. Being the puppet master, right? Because there’s a lot of guys that say, Oh, I’m a bull. Okay, you’re good at fucking my wife. That’s great. But a guy the Fuck my life. Those are a dime a dozen. You know, but someone who really understands the dynamics, and really knows how to include everyone that is a bolt. So


Mickey Gordon  57:38

he he had you go to the drugstore and buy the condoms big enough to cover your average fire hydrant. And those back I assume so what



happened that so he also had me like, set up the room at that because we you know, 10th floor of the downtown Hilton, we decided we’re gonna have it there by the window. He made me you know, okay, move the table. So that the window is like clear and free. And he said beforehand, you’re gonna, you’re gonna have a table ready, you’re gonna have a little towel and table, you’re going to have the toys, you’re going to have the loop the exact loop that I want to use, you’re gonna have the condoms, you’re gonna have everything ready for her. I don’t know how far to go with the details on this


Mallory Gordon  58:22

one too, because it sounds very like involved.


Jack  58:25

But he’s military. So he said, I’ll be there at 1800 hours. And I’m like to see he’s gonna be here at 1800 hours. I have no fucking idea what 1800 hours is we have to like figure out Oh, that’s, that’s six o’clock. Okay, so we’re out. She gets dressed up little black dress and stockings, and, you know, the heels and, and we go down at the hotel bar, and it’s six o’clock comes like on the.he shows up till and I went up and got on the cocktail and they’re giggling and having fun. And, you know, we’re talking and they’re giggling and having some more fun and Yeah, go ahead. So he’s whispering in my ear about you know, like, Okay, so, you know, we’re gonna push limits a little bit tonight. And, you know, it’s both like for you and for jack. So, okay, Cassie, I want you to, I want you to go in the bathroom. And I want you to take your panties off. And then I want you to come out and when you come out, I want you to drop those panties in Jack’s hands. So while she’s doing that, she excused herself. He starts talking like, Hey, you know, how about the Packers this year? And you know, it’s so cool. We’re talking. Yeah, we’re talking football and, and things like that, like on a Schedule II cool. And then it gets he comes back. And he says, jack, hold out your hand. I’m like, okay, and I hold up my hand. She drops her panties in my hand. And he says to me, jack, go to the bathroom. Take off your little boy shorts. Look on her panties. Oh, yes, sir. And I just fucking do it. Like, I’m just like, I’m so beanie and at this point like, oh God, okay, and I literally threw my underwear in the bathroom wastebasket, and oh my god. So giggling when we get back and he’s like, not don’t think he’s better jack. So he’s like the humiliation factories pouring it on, it’s still good. And then it’s time to go upstairs. When we go into the room, things all started to happen. And they got into bed together. After she was on our knees for a little while. And he’s going to hold on her in two minutes, she hit the math of orgasm. I was like, holy shit, I couldn’t ever do that in two minutes. And he took her like in the window and had bent but she’s like, facing the window. And he’s doing her in the window. And okay, I’m jumping ahead real quick.


Mallory Gordon  1:00:59

I could tell how excited like all of this makes you



an excitable boy. They had an hour of an amazing, you know, incredible time, I had an hour of an incredible time in that bedroom. And then he’s like, okay, you know, was done. It was over. He’s like, I’m going to take a shower, and then I’m going to go, I’m going to get out of your hair. I Don’t linger. You know, you guys enjoy the rest of your night. And, and he did and he left it. We were like, oh, Holy fucking shit. We went out to get some pizza like on, you know, nearby, we looked up at the window, the 10th floor of that Hilton. And it’s like, oh, my God, anybody that looked up there? We’re seeing you like, boobs in the window shaking? Oh, God, what a night and night that will never ever forget,


Mallory Gordon  1:01:50

how many times did you guys have sex in the next 24 to 48 hours after that,



like a lot riding. Right? Like this constantly, right? It’s


Mallory Gordon  1:01:59

like, you couldn’t tie your shoe without getting fucked.


Jack  1:02:03

So I guess the lesson learned here, because some people will explore this dynamic. And they’ll try to make this happen. And a lot of the mistake that a lot of people will make is they’ll rush into it, you have to realize you as a couple are the gold standard, you know, make sure that you are patient, and make sure that you you hold out for that guy that really feels like a fit for both of you just take your time, sometimes you want to jump in because it’s exciting. But now, take your time, take your time, do your homework and make sure that this person is is the one that’s gonna, it’s gonna be that good. But,


Mickey Gordon  1:02:45

you know, I think people will figure it out by now after listening to this show. We’re going long here and we want to go long here with this because this story is so unique it


Mallory Gordon  1:02:54

is it’s it’s a great perspective, from a really solid couple who genuinely loves each other, you spend a lot of time being vulnerable and exploring and, and taking that time, the level


Mickey Gordon  1:03:05

of honesty that yes, with each other and trust in each other. And that what you want for each other is genuine and real. And it’s there’s obviously conversion, something we talk about a lot and also a little bit of altruism, right? I mean, I want her to have this so much. I love her so much. And we’ve we’ve heard a lot of stories about that lately, but I think you know, we were gonna leave, you know, Dutch and his massive penis behind and get into a little bit of some of the other stuff. You guys,


Mallory Gordon  1:03:32

I do I have one last question before we kind of like, take a right turn over after clicking. Do you guys out here in the wild? Right? And you’re in that cooking dynamic? Have you ever experienced, like negativity or judgment because of it? Like, have you been outed or had conversations with maybe a more traditional lifestyle couples? Or what’s that, like have you always had good experiences,


Kissy  1:03:57

we really haven’t had any experiences that really, you know, truly is negative. And you’ve obviously met, you know, people that things didn’t work out, or you know, it just wasn’t the right fit. But we’ve been very fortunate. And I honestly I think a lot of that does go back to the initial relationship that we had with Dutch of him, really helping educate us about what the heck we were doing and understanding, you know, the dynamics of the lifestyle and what it really involves and the type of people that you meet and the behaviors that go along with that. And he obviously knew we had no idea what we were doing. So we trust you to be part of our wedding now. That he would do that. So


Mallory Gordon  1:04:48

epic, you know, and the reason I asked that question is because traditionally like when you think about how some of those conversations are framed around hot white bean or especially cooking There, there have been some negative responses, especially if we’re talking, you know, in more vanilla environments, or maybe new to the lifestyle. So I was just curious because Mickey mentioned Pornhub, and it got my wheels turning, I’m wondering if more of the community and more people are embracing that type of dynamic because of


Jack  1:05:18

it, we met this guy once. And this was a long time ago, you know, 567 years ago or so. And he, it was a meet and greet. And he told us that he was really into roleplay. And he was, like, really into being the evil villain. And he wanted to like, dress up and like, evil villain costume, like, you know, Marvel Comics, and, and we would be the superheroes and like, all this stuff, and we left the bar that night laughing our asses off, like, this guy is crazy. Okay, but it was also around Halloween. And so, you know, we we went, we started thinking about looking at all these, like, superhero costumes. And we started like, thinking, Wow, we could like, involve, to costume re and involved some scenarios. And like, you know, he finds us somewhere out in public, and we’re chasing him down. And, and so you can have like a location where you play your play. But there’s a little bit of teasing going on. And then it leads to the, the evil villains, you know, hideout, and, you know, then a very kind of elaborate type of scheme. And we thought, holy shit, this is actually kind of brilliant. And it never really worked out with him. But we met this couple, I don’t remember how we met him somewhere online, you know, something and started chatting back and forth about this. They he wanted to be the evil villain, and she wanted to be, you know, like superheroes. And they were looking for another couple of these superheroes with him. And so we met them and we had cocktails with them, we started talking about it. And like they were, we became friends with them. And like, once a month, we would meet and we would start planning this ultimate roleplay. And she was like a seamstress. So she’s like, Oh, I’m gonna build this silver slit costume. And he had like, the wand and he was gonna use that as a torture thing. And, and we’re like, Okay, well, we found she found this, like, super heroine, Jesse, What was her name and that one, I just remember, you were like, wonder, I would play blender. With a tight everything. And we, we’ve developed this and we would laugh our asses off, but we actually like scripted it, and exactly what’s going to happen and after a year,


Mallory Gordon  1:07:42

investment and role play, I I really used to think I had sex in


Mickey Gordon  1:07:48

the bedroom, and I had fun doing it, you guys have so much more fucking fun in the bedroom.


Mallory Gordon  1:07:53

I am boring as fuck,


Mickey Gordon  1:07:54

I gotta step up my game we’re doing we’re doing Lord of the Rings, I’m going to be Bilbo sagen are dildo seconds, and you’re gonna be handoff, and we’re gonna be, we’re gonna be Lord of the


Kissy  1:08:04

really cool thing about that was, was just being able to, you know, we didn’t script out, you know, like, line by line, what was going to happen, but we had to develop a communication between this other couple as well, right. So we’re trying to write this roleplay that involves all of the wishes of all of the people in involved, right. So the guy wanted to do some torture, you know, he wanted to use a toughy wand, and he wanted to have some very specific things that he did. And the girl had, she had never been with another female. So she wanted that as part of, you know, the interaction with this. And so, for us, that’s the really cool thing about adding the roleplay dynamic in is that it allows you to have this additional level of communication with whoever you’re going to play with around just boundaries, and likes and dislikes. And, you know, if, you know, I like having my hair poles and, you know, you somehow like that you get work that in to the scenario that you’re doing. But it really allows you to be able to have a good communication. And part of this was, you know, we all had kind of crazy busy schedules. And, you know, so we would meet over, you know, several months and trying to plan this out and, you know, figure out how to make it work. And it was it ended up being this, you know, just kind of incredible, incredibly, you know, like roleplay that we pulled off and, you know, we’re trying to, you know, figure out like, how to set up a like make a sexual Wish Foundation.


Mallory Gordon  1:09:53

Do your analogies are out of this world.


Mickey Gordon  1:09:57

Make a wish for perverts. I love it. I don’t know how to do it without a thing. prostitution. But no, I


Mallory Gordon  1:10:03

think you framed it perfectly and like you really brought like, so you have all those dynamics hips in communication. Do you remember in school when you had to do group projects? And there was two types of people, right? One that was like, Oh, yeah, like, that’s cool. Like, no problem. I’m like, I’m even excited about it. And then people like me, like, Oh, my God, like, that’s too much pressure, too many voices in the room, I would really freak me out. And we today would probably react differently. So I love that you took that element of creativity as a group of individuals. And it blossomed into this wonderful experience for all of you.


Jack  1:10:38

So real quick, the one thing now like today, we’ve kind of evolved to that where we, we love the roleplay factor when you can do it with anybody, you know, like the single guy who was looking for a little bit of a bull cuckold. What we can develop that a rule roleplay where, you know, she’s the secretary, and I’m the husband at home that’s unemployed, and, and we have to meet at the bar, she’s gonna get fired, and, you know, or there’s different things or we’re out in the woods and the game warden catches up. And if, you know he doesn’t get to, you know, be with my wife, he’s calling the sheriff and we’ve done all these we’ve done so many. fuckin it’s so much fun that and when people like ask us, hey, hey, what do you guys into? Two things, we always tell them creativity and imagination. And they’re always like, okay, like, it kind of blows people away a little bit. Because mostly like, what are you into? Yeah, you know, when you say creativity, do you say like, creativity imagination, it begins the dialogue and you’re like, you know, and you can tell it like, Okay, this person just doesn’t have a clue. You know, but others are like, Oh, do you mean roleplay and, and you start talking you start developing it’s like, this person gets it you know? And so that’s kind of where we’re all this we’re our life journey has kind of led us it’s so amazing.


Mallory Gordon  1:11:59

You need to like head up like kinky con and stuff like Comic Con or like when right like, like the fantasy style erotic novels because you guys would be amazing at it.


Mickey Gordon  1:12:09

And that just means that you’re deranged and you’re good at talking about it, but I think it’s awesome. So you guys, you guys have me saying Um, so I want you to I want everyone to know that’s how awesome this guy’s story is. I mean, you guys were tripping over ourselves which I just love but I have I guess one actually two more questions for you. The first one is what’s your preferred play style was a dynamic because you guys are in as creative as you are. What you go to


Kissy  1:12:38

or go to usually is one other guy and usually now it you know some kind of MFM type of situation. So either we try to incorporate some type of roleplay element into any kind of play that we have now just because meeting someone and plucking them is like, okay, like okay, that’s kind of boring. So we always try to incorporate some kind of roleplay you know, jack and I are playing out in the forest and you know, some one is taking a hike and finds us it’s usually some type of situation like that where there’s another guy that finds us and somehow I’m in a situation where you know, I need to give myself up for the better of the world


Mallory Gordon  1:13:36

do you guys often find yourself just like randomly playing in the woods or is it planned? Like do you just end up there and go without let’s go for it



we have a favorite place we have a favorite place out in the country we’re up north you know so it’s there’s a lot of mosquitoes in the summer and and so it has to be like in the spring before the filter we only have this like two months time window or or late fall but so the outdoor stuff isn’t always easy. Oh,


Mickey Gordon  1:14:05

I’m just going through the nursery rhyme my head like jack and Casey went up the hill To fetch a pail of water and kissy Ben over the well and Dutch factor for an hour in Jackson case he lived happily ever after. I mean, basically that’s how it went. So speaking of hills, let’s let’s bring this thing to a close because we could do this with you guys all night long. And we’re going to the next 30 to 30 Yeah, all night long. Cheers suited there. Tell it tell our listeners what’s the next mountain to climb is accomplished as you guys are. what’s what’s left? what’s next. What do you have on your list that you haven’t done yet?


Jack  1:14:41

Oh, we have. We have besties the other half of the Dakota tribe that we go to, we go to Hito with we go to desire and they’re from Vegas. So we’re developing a roleplay with them like a Wife Swap type of thing where like the first day or the first full day we’re there. I’m married to her to the other wife and just he’s married to him. And we’re gonna like try to like just pull that off all day where people actually are gonna think, oh, they’re together because we just arrived the night before and and kind of develop that into the night where you know we ended up maybe in the playroom together and hey, look at that couple with a couple of my wife and his you know in her wife and her husband and you know something like that. It is more you know, we we enjoy the couple thing it’s hard to find, but I think that’s probably the thing that we’re we’re exploring the most right now.


Mallory Gordon  1:15:41

I love that and can we please have like a Convo like post Hito and you let us know how it goes?



Well, so I am also turning Oh, a large number of birthday while we’re at hido


Mallory Gordon  1:15:59

realize you were



25 so you know there’s always some kind of epic, you know, birthday wish that kissy has a need to be granted. So we’re going to work on that. Oh, I just got hired the ultimate like bucket list is is the gaming thing we haven’t we’ve been open to it it just got to find the right kind of thing. You guys can help us in that.


Mickey Gordon  1:16:29

All right, we’ll start taking raffle tickets now. Jackie Casey this has been amazing. I hope our listeners about half as much fun as we’ve had. You guys are awesome. Please don’t ever change for anybody or any reason. And Mallory, why don’t you let everybody know how to find us so we can get out of here and get this thing out in the wild furnaces. Oh my gosh,


Mallory Gordon  1:16:51

I’ve had so much fun I can’t believe it’s time to go already. Alright guys, we’re casual swinger everywhere. look us up on social media. That’s Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook. All the sites Cassady double date nation, SLS sec quiver are there. And if you want to get a hold of hold of us, I’ll try that again. If you want to get a hold of us, you can reach out podcast at casual swinger calm.


Mickey Gordon  1:17:17

And there you go. Ladies and gentlemen, I think we’re gonna change the name of this episode to don’t fuck this up, but guide to your second marriage by Jackie Casey. This has been so much fun. come back and join us again. In a couple of weeks. He’s been listening to casual swinger. Hi,



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