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Fri, 8/27 5:28PM • 1:09:24


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Mickey Gordon, Mallory Gordon


Mallory Gordon  00:02

You’re listening to the casual swinger podcast as your hosts, we need to warn you that the material you’re about to hear may be sexual or explicit in nature. This podcast is intended for an adult audience. Now we don’t expect you to act like adults. What’s the fun in that?


Mickey Gordon  00:16

We’re a married couple living in Florida with over 13 years of experience in the lifestyle and we take almost nothing seriously. Casual swingers a variety show meaning we’ll cover everything from music to events, travel, and even the occasional hilarious screw up. Our show is about entertainment. We’re not licensed professionals had anything and our stories, commentary and guidance should not be confused with the opinions of a licensed professional.


Mallory Gordon  00:41

Now that you know, let’s take those pants off and get comfy. Hey, everybody, welcome back to casual swinger. I’m Mallory casual swinger. And what is that? I don’t know that used to podcast all the time, and they just fell face there. Just went out and got busy with life and went away. Yeah, I guess so. I suppose today, the role of Mickey will be played by yours truly. Excellent. Thank you for joining me. I heard he has a giant penis. I don’t have one of those. We’re just going to have to pretend logical fallacy. Oh, fallacy fallacy did you did was this? Yeah. All right. I see. We did.


Mickey Gordon  01:21

All right. All phalluses all the time. And fabulous Queen of Central Florida. Everybody. This is Mallory. Take a Palooza so what in the hell have we been doing for the last six weeks? that we haven’t been doing a podcast?


Mallory Gordon  01:37

Um, flyff. Work? Family Mickey got a new job. Yeah, you got a new job that definitely is kept us away. But you have been, you know, nose to the grindstone. Literally,


Mickey Gordon  01:48

I really every day trying to learn a new thing. And honestly keep casual toys rolling. And because that, you know, when you guys spend money with us, that’s a priority for us. And unfortunately, between the new job and casual toys, it’s kind of made it so I need to focus on that stuff. But yeah,


Mallory Gordon  02:03

I did think about doing an episode by myself. But answering myself makes me sound like an insane person. So


Mickey Gordon  02:09

I’m kind of thinking everyone would love it if you did an episode without me. So they didn’t have to hear my voice for a while. Yeah, but that’s like one long monologue. Oh, but it’s a good one you could be like, and this is how I masturbate.


Mallory Gordon  02:19

Okay, I mean, that’s that’s in play for late next episode. Right? Well, I think the last episode, but like we’re gonna be on time next time. Don’t worry, guys. He said that last three episodes. I think they’ve just surmised that we don’t keep our word.


Mickey Gordon  02:31

Okay, we are full of shit. But in the next episode, Mallory’s gonna whack it. Okay, if it. Yeah, sure. Why not? If that makes people tune back in you’ll just slap your been around on the shirt. YOLO can even see no one says that anymore. Do they? I think that was a very 2000s thing. You just said it was very such. Oh, you see, I’m cool. I use words like SAS in a sentence.


Mallory Gordon  02:52

Yeah. No, no. I mean, it’s I know what it means. It just doesn’t sound right coming out of your mouth. Oh,


Mickey Gordon  02:59

we have done a bunch of other shit. Right. So I think everything kind of led up we more or less accidentally took the month off leading up to peak app. And peak app is podcaster Palooza for those of you guys that live in Iraq, don’t listen, any of the shows, don’t listen to the other 11 content creators that were down there. It was a lot of fun, we would have to sound out with a bunch of cool last weekend people.


Mallory Gordon  03:19

I ton of cool ass people, it was so great to be in that type of environment. And he did such a good job of curating a place for people to have, you know, the world is their oyster to create their own adventure, essentially.


Mickey Gordon  03:34

And it was it was a journey for everybody that came whether it was a journey to go meet creators or a journey to learn something new or a journey to hang up by the beach and get fucked up because you’ve been stuck home with COVID for the last 18 months. Yeah,


Mallory Gordon  03:44

the theme night, see the events everything was just absolutely wonderful. And I enjoyed meeting so many people that we’d connect with, especially during COVID and quarantine, that we actually got to meet in person. That’s fantastic. Oh, I’m just gonna say it. Honey spoon. Oh, wow. Wow. No one’s surprised by that. You and every other person there. Yeah, get in line. Yeah. Honey spoon.





Mickey Gordon  04:14

By the way, who is one of our casual ambassadors for that? Yeah, it’s I met her and her amazing husband. And it was just like, Wow, you guys are awesome.


Mallory Gordon  04:23

Yeah, we had all three of our ambassadors there. Yeah, we had Miss alleycat. Oh, yeah. And Pepe pineapple and Pepe pineapple. So it was awesome. Yeah, one of my highlights and I’m just gonna go ahead and throw this in there since we’re talking about them anyways, is when Pepe and honey spoon showed up to our table with a wet t shirts because I’d mentioned earlier in the day that there was a girl wearing a white t shirt. And it was wet and there’s maybe it’s like the late 80s, early 90s stuck in me but there’s just something so hot about a girl and a wet white t shirt to me.


Mickey Gordon  04:57

Yeah, that’s right. For those of you out there that were born in the wrong generation. Just go ahead and Google Tawny kitane


Mallory Gordon  05:02

Yeah, yeah, it was, it was so hot and I was so touched like, I was awkward and speechless.


Mickey Gordon  05:08

Oh, yeah, it was, it was crazy. I mean, it’s I don’t lust for honey spoon for no reason whatsoever. She was hotter. No. And they were both wearing casual swinger t shirts. Yeah, they were just really frickin off. Again, totally touch. I think we would have probably talked about this earlier. And honestly, we really I know you guys that listen to us regularly know that we don’t really do event recap episodes very often. So we’re really not going to do that. Because my guess is you’re gonna get 11 or 12 of these from all the different contracts down there. But it you know, it was crazy. We were gonna have them talk about it because we met so many cool people. I definitely caught a cold because I’ve been stuck in the house for 18 months and didn’t go out and do anything. So it wasn’t COVID or anything, but I couldn’t talk for a week.


Mallory Gordon  05:46

Yeah, no, I think you then pass it on to me. I sound like I can swap spit. I’m a sound a little hoarse. That’s not a pony. You caught it from my penis. Yes, I did. It was great. Yeah, we had lots of dirty sex with ourselves.


Mickey Gordon  05:59

We really did. Like we didn’t sleep with anybody. I tell you what, we went to podcaster Palooza and came back and everybody that was there probably thinks that we’re like complete frauds. They were like, nope, they don’t swing. We never saw them. Never saw us in the play rooms because we never went.


Mallory Gordon  06:12

Yeah, no, we were just so busy. I don’t know socializing that we forgot that we’re swinger.


Mickey Gordon  06:19

Yeah, we’re here to meet people. And we didn’t do that. Not at all. Let’s be honest, we rarely do that at events anyway. It’s not really our style. We’re kind of casual. But that’s okay. It’s not like a mad about it or anything. And you know, we did our session, which for those of you that did not go to podcaster Palooza, the folks that did go and came to our session on Sunday afternoon, were I don’t want to see treated too, because I think we might have punished them a little. But we we fucked with them, essentially,


Mallory Gordon  06:45

cuz you made them laugh till they were crying. Somebody vomited. And then I was the fucking party pooper. I brought everyone down like 10 notches.


Mickey Gordon  06:55

Well, but that was the journey we went through. We did on purpose. I mean, we had a period in our lives that we’ve never talked about in the show, and we’re not going to that was about six months long, where we had the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. So we took the crowd through that in 45 minutes by taking them very, very high. And then bringing them very, very low. With the rest of the story.


Mallory Gordon  07:14

Yeah. And they forgave us. We got a lot of great feedback. Actually, most of that Sunday evening, we spent discussing some of that. And what I was really surprised by and really touched by, is there people that had stories that touched on or were similar to what we had discussed. And that almost makes me feel better about because I mean, I was still in shock. just telling that to the world because I’d never spoken out loud to anyone outside of us. Sure. We’ve kept it fairly quiet. Yeah, show that. Yeah. I was surprised at how, you know, raw, I still felt after talking about it. It was cathartic. Who are you telling? Yeah, I know. I know. I know. But it felt a little better knowing I’m not alone in there now alone, if that makes sense. Like we bonded a little bit over that.


Mickey Gordon  08:03

I kind of feel that and I feel that for a couple of reasons. Because standing up there and participating in the story with you listening to you tell your story. And lock from The Suite Life actually put it really succinctly. He said that we stood in front of a roomful of people in late our truth on the table. Very much so. And that was, by the way, it was that dude is awesome. I’ll get into that in a second. But it just, I mean, really. It was tough. And I didn’t realize how tough it was gonna be till I heard you doing it. And I’ve been a public speaker. For basically it’s all of your library. Yeah. And I don’t break up. I don’t screw up. I just don’t know. And yeah,


Mallory Gordon  08:44

you kind of broke character and started to get a little emotional. I did. I said out loud. If you if you do it, I’m gonna do it. And we’ll never get through this.


Mickey Gordon  08:51

This will never be over here the rest of the day. Yeah. So it was it was really kind of epic, to get that opportunity to share that story with those people and the lessons that we learned. And the biggest thing out of it that I got was closure. I feel like we’re finally moved on. You


Mallory Gordon  09:08

know, I was a little surprised to hear you say that, but also very grateful that that was a takeaway from you. Yeah, I was terrified in the hours leading up to it. I had conversations with you that I was really scared that I had started to make these friendships and connections while we were there. And then I’m gonna go in and paint myself as a villain to these people. And that is somewhere I’d be shunned or, or, you know, got the rotten tomatoes.


Mickey Gordon  09:36

I don’t think anybody was going to do that. But we definitely, you know, painted ourselves is not the heroes of the story,


Mallory Gordon  09:42

which is something we don’t tend to do as human beings. No, you know, we tend to like, put that stuff under the rug. And what actually happened for me is after you had finished your portion, and I started telling mine, I almost felt a little more at ease. I felt like I was among friends. And that was It was a safe space to do this. It was very strange, but wonderful.


Mickey Gordon  10:04

I kind of felt like they were all on that journey with us at that point. I think they were invested. They’re like, fuck it. We’re in it now. It’s like being on a roller coaster and you got to the top was like, Well, here we go. Buy in for a diamond for $1. Right, pitter patter. Let’s get out here. But I’ll talk about your Letterkenny obsession here later. But you know, I do think that one of the coolest things that came out of that was casual swinger. Because three months after all of that happened, yeah, casual swinger was born and that’s the thing that the people learned a pee cap. Is it casual swinger wasn’t born out of pride. It wasn’t born out of all the cool shit we know about the lifestyle. It wasn’t born out of us being experts. It was born out of humility.


Mallory Gordon  10:47

That is very true. I think it’s not something we’ve ever really said out loud.


Mickey Gordon  10:53

So I really felt like that was cool, but alright, on from that sappy rough shit. Thank you for everybody that came down to podcaster Palooza and took part in it with us and went on that emotional journey with us. But we did get to spend some time with some of the most amazing content creators in this business.


Mallory Gordon  11:08

Amen. Do you want to give like a few like bullet point like highlights and then we’ll move on? Oh, yeah. We got to do some shout outs.


Mickey Gordon  11:14

Everybody knows that. I have a man crush on Jay from average trainers. He is one of my favorite human beings on the face of this planet. He’s amazing. And oh my god, it looks so good. And his main Kini. You know, and I am being genuinely honest, when it says I know he and I fuck with each other on the air all the time. But there are very few people in this world that I personally call for advice. And he’s one of them. And that should tell you who he is. He’s that good of a human being. He’s that brilliant, emotionally speaking. Intellectually speaking, he’s a turd but emotionally he’s just you know, he’s amazing. But how about how about locking triste? From the sweet life?


Mallory Gordon  11:56

They were well, she’s hot. Oh my god. So when he walked into the room, I was like, Oh my god, they’re fucking high. Well, I’m at lock. Wow.


Mickey Gordon  12:04

And he’s like, my wife will be here. later on. I’m like, that’s cool. I get it. She just trolled you out here. You know? And then you know, maybe she’ll show up later. Maybe she doesn’t exist. And then next thing I know this smokin hot girl with hair a cooler color than mine is like, oh, by the way. I’m that girl he told you about.


Mallory Gordon  12:20

Oh, yeah, she looked like I’m fucking million dollars. Jesus. Holy crap. Rice that girl smoking. I was trying to play cool. No, I wasn’t cool. I stumbled on my single syllable words. Smile. Don’t say anything stupid. Like, Hi, my name is bbbbbb Nikki. What am I Oh my god. Bummer bell. Oh, another one. I loved hanging out with those guys. They’re amazing. as advertised, but even more so they’re so charismatic in person and so full of life. And like, I fucking love their smiles and I didn’t want to be a creeper. But like, if I saw them, I made sure like I wiggled my way into their little orbit so that we could at least have some conversation and hang out. Yeah, I really want to dance with bomber which I?


Mickey Gordon  13:03

Yeah, you know, I don’t go on the dance. No, you know? No, no, he definitely don’t I just hang out on the outside. But you know, we also got to meet some other great folks. The folks from naughty Jim. We got to meet the foot from swinging outside the lines. Yeah, chance to meet them before. And I know I’m gonna forget somebody. I think we pretty much had met everyone else other than those four. But I think you know, Locke made a huge impression on me because he went out of his way to come over and introduce himself to me and tell me who they are. And I’ve listened to their stuff, but I just never really got a chance to look them in the eye and shake his hand. And he took that opportunity which says so much to me, and I really appreciate it It definitely what bomber bomber is a great dude.


Mallory Gordon  13:41

Oh my gosh, this sounds amazing. I think we definitely got the fields. I do I get it feels now you guys got a case? Yeah, got a case of the fields.


Mickey Gordon  13:48

Definitely. And the last one that you know, I am a sepia sexual for those of you that don’t know and every sense of the word, right? When somebody really can engage with me intellectually look me in the eye and sit down and have a conversation about something that we might even disagree, and it’s okay. I like disagreeing with smart people because we’re not gonna insult each other. We’re not gonna call each other names. We’re gonna dig in. And that’s exactly what I got to do with the beautiful Kate, from monogamous marriage.


Mallory Gordon  14:15

That is true. And we actually got to spend some time with her significant other as well. Liam. Yeah, yeah, it was the next day. Yeah, we got both. Like we got the both It was so good. And here I’m wondering if you’re gonna want run over like superlatives before you got to them.


Mickey Gordon  14:33

I can’t say enough about them. Everyone knows she’s hot because her pictures are fire. But it’s they’re just the most amazing people are so freaking brilliant.


Mallory Gordon  14:40

They’re brilliant. They’re very open, transparent and brutally honest. Not I wouldn’t say brutally. They’re just the honest people. You can really engage them and just about any conversation and they’ll meet you there.


Mickey Gordon  14:54

And spoiler alert, they’re gonna be on our next episode, so Oh, shit. Oh shit. Hey, one last thing before we jump. On to the next thing because we do have a couple of things to do before we get to the breakouts. But Kate from wanderlust swingers baddest bitch on the planet hands down is just insanely detail oriented, organized. Everything we said she was everything we thought this event would be what it was.


Mallory Gordon  15:18

Yeah. And her level of, you know, customer care customer service stations, even a customer client friend. Like she, she was everywhere. at every given moment. Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  15:29

everywhere except by the back fence when I threatened to poke that guy in the eye.


Mallory Gordon  15:33

That’s true. It was a weirdo trying to look through like the Yeah, the fence where we were trying to block it off. So the topless Pool Party was private. Yeah, yeah.


Mickey Gordon  15:42

Yeah, we were putting out a privacy fence. And he kept pulling it to the side and I walked over there and I was like, dude, you ever seen The Three Stooges? He’s like, No, I was like, well, guess what’s gonna happen? I’m gonna poke in your damn eyes. If you poke listening to the side again. He’s like, how do I get in? Like you don’t it’s a private party. And I pulled it to the side and zip tie to shit. Yeah, but I was like, I’m gonna poke you in the eye. And I would have I would have poked him. Right. He would have been a one eyed bastard.


Mallory Gordon  16:03

Yeah. So you were essentially the guy at the gate at the Emerald study. That was good for you. That’s right. It was not a horse of a different color.


Mickey Gordon  16:10

Oh, damn it, you stole my line. That’s the only line I know. All right, what else is going on because we have a whole bunch of travels, we got a whole lot of things we’re doing that are not going to keep us from doing new episodes of casual swinger. We have the new to the next two episodes planned. And we’re gonna get through season three and get season four started for you guys without a break. So since we just took it six weeks, which is crazy.


Mallory Gordon  16:29

You heard it here, folks. You’re gonna mock and shame him if he doesn’t hold up his end of the bargain.


Mickey Gordon  16:35

All the ridicule Jesus Christ feeling I’m feeling sassy, Mrs. sassy little. So


Mallory Gordon  16:41

what are we what else we have going on? We’re going to see Derek and I can’t wait out in the Midwest to see our a couple of our favorite human beings in the planet. Hopefully it isn’t snow in July there.


Mickey Gordon  16:52

Yeah. I mean, it’s one of the two days of summer they have an Iowa Yeah. Right. So I’m looking forward to that. We’re going to St. Augustine in July, St. oggy. A couple of really actually, we’re going to couples that we adore. So we’re really excited about that.


Mallory Gordon  17:04

Yeah. And then to Nashville and August. This has been a trip that we we’ve been trying to do for it’s been a year, year and a half, almost two now.


Mickey Gordon  17:12

It was gonna be a meet and greet. And then management. Well, they didn’t go tits up. They just had to shut down. Get that that location as a church now I think, or a homeless shelter or something crazy. Okay. But there’s a new location from an edge and it’s not going to work out for this trip. So we’re just going to Nashville to see Randy Rogers band. I’m cool with that. I’ve never been to Nashville. Oh, Nashville is amazing. I can’t wait. We have two ASN awards in September.


Mallory Gordon  17:32

That’s right by our own backyard for a long weekend. middle of September, my birthday weekend, if anyone wants to show up and give me a little, you know. And then we’re going up north to the DC metro area.


Mickey Gordon  17:46

Yeah, we’re going back back to our roots back to the DC area for about a week because we’re going to be old.


Mallory Gordon  17:52

Yeah, your roots, my branches.


Mickey Gordon  17:55

And last but not least, guys, we’re going on our last trip with Rachel’s rascals two hedonism in November.


Mallory Gordon  18:02

I know I’m super excited. This is gonna be an amazing trip. I know. They’re almost sold out of rooms. I think Jim has a couple left.


Mickey Gordon  18:09

Yeah, he doesn’t have a lot. I know guys want to go on our last rascals for a while. That’s a we’re never going to wrestles again. By the way. We love the rascals. Yeah. Family. Yeah. 20s don’t have the PTO.


Mallory Gordon  18:18

Yeah, yeah. our day jobs are like, hey, by the way, you can’t take that much ever again. So yeah, we’re gonna take 2022 off at a minimum. Yeah, maybe we’ll end up at Hito at some point. time allows, that would be awesome. But


Mickey Gordon  18:32

make it work. But we can’t really do it as


Mallory Gordon  18:35

if you wanted to travel with us in the rascals both at the same time. Feel free to reach out to us. It’s casual swing, calm slash travel with us. Happy to provide you the info and get you in contact with those folks. You can book something.


Mickey Gordon  18:46

Yeah. Well, hey, we never bothered to tell anybody since this entire catch up. What? What this episode is about? Oh, yeah, we haven’t just left it off.


Mallory Gordon  18:56

Yeah. So you name this after meatloaf song, which I love you for. I would do anything for love. But I won’t do that. And we’re talking about play style dynamics, right?


Mickey Gordon  19:06

That’s right. Anything for Levin’s, but I won’t do that. Yeah, this is a play style dynamics episode where we’re gonna talk about the different dynamics. Do people endure any new dynamic that we just embarked on?


Mallory Gordon  19:16

Yeah, this has been since the last Yeah. Last. Yeah. I think since our last episode. Yeah, just barely. Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  19:23

So we did embark on a new dynamic in our play style. We’re going to talk about that we come back in just a couple of minutes. Sorry about this long intro guys. It’s been a while we’re a little rusty But hey, maybe you’ll enjoy it and hang in there with us. Mallory. As usual. Would you like to tell everybody where to find


Mallory Gordon  19:37

I can remember we are casual swinger everywhere. Guys, that’s our website. Casual swinger calm if you’d love to send us a message, feel free to email us podcast at casual swing calm and find us on social media. That’s Facebook, YouTube, Instagram and of course Twitter because it’s the only place you can post pictures anymore book and then the dating sites That’s double date, nation, as Lessons CC and Cassidy.


Mickey Gordon  20:02

That’ll do it. Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back in just a couple of seconds and we will talk about playstyle dynamics. You’ve been listening to casual this week. Okay, gang. Welcome back to casual swinger. My name is Mickey. And I am Mallory. I figured you guys got that shit figured out by now we’re going to talk about playstyle dynamics, the way we play in the lifestyle. It’s kind of a defining characteristic. It’s one of the first things people ask when you meet them on a on a website or on a dating service or in person that is your club. What do you fall into? What do you do? How do you play?


Mallory Gordon  20:48

Yeah, and that’s fascinating, because why is it so easy to talk about the things you’re not into? And you won’t do it? But it’s usually hard or harder for people to say what they do want.


Mickey Gordon  21:00

They almost never do and especially on places like w eight nation or STC you see, you know, we do not play separately Don’t even ask, it’s like the first thing that something African often doesn’t have, you know, single guys, right? How about that one? That one’s on a lot of profile. My favorite one is University of Sydney, you’re not allowed to use these photos? You there is no University of Sydney.


Mallory Gordon  21:20

Okay? I mean, even us we have you know, no assholes including ours. That’s true. You know, because we don’t do but you’ve been asked for Angel hadn’t asked, but I say no every time just about it. At least that’s something you’ve been asked, right? Because the only guys that want to do it have like, can get friction off a pickle jar. And I don’t want my butthole to look different the next day or our butthole. And yours. Yeah,


Mickey Gordon  21:42

you know, Matt Serra’s ears or something? Gross, big old, lumpy butthole. cauliflower crew, Okay, stop. That’s not sexy. But you know, in 15 years in the lifestyle, you know, we’ve seen so many of these warnings in the dating sites and all these things. People say that I’m not doing this. And and we’re not this, we’re not that. And I mean, don’t get me wrong, the vast majority of these profiles are beautiful. And they say we’re a soft swap couple, or we’re full swap couple and great. That’s a great way to do it. We applaud you completely. But then you go to another one. And it’s like, Don’t ever think you’re going to speak to my wife without me standing right next to you. Yeah,


Mallory Gordon  22:23

I love which is kind of a default. And we can talk about how it fit into the dynamic. We’re gonna speak about later, that you know, only group chats period. I’ve tried to talk to us individually. I know. And one pump? Well, I don’t know. Anyway, I just wanted to bring that up. Well, cuz I have seen it quite a few times. Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  22:45

And in 15 years of being in the lifestyle together, I’ve never one time to maybe maybe you’ll disagree with me. But I just kind of thought back on this when we were putting the framework of this together in our minds. We’ve never been asked to do anything behind each other’s back. I picked that guy, Adam the douchebag. In the beginning,


Mallory Gordon  23:03

I also the girl that propositioned you at one of the functions we did and said, I didn’t and hers need to know. Yeah. And that’s only recently that was only recently I saw that in the notes. And I’m like, oh, call you out on the air. Yeah, that was okay. I forgot it. But it doesn’t. It’s not common. It’s just it’s a it’s a rarity. And it’s it’s just one of those implied unspoken things.


Mickey Gordon  23:27

Yeah, at least. And did I just draw on my forehead? He did. Okay, that’s okay. I’m scratching my head with my pen. And I realize I’m scratching at the wrong but


Mallory Gordon  23:33

like, leaving your partner out of the conversation specifically, like that whole group chat only, you know, I’ve never had an experience that I was speaking directly to somebody else, whether it was the male or female in the group without one, letting it be known that that’s was what I was doing. Like, especially if it’s her, I’ll ask her, or I’ll ask her if it’s okay to text him. Oh, of course, which that’s only happened a couple times. Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  23:57

And it is something that was fairly foreign to us. And I think we discovered, we kind of like it, we kind of like be able to have a little bit of direct conversation. And the end of the way when we talk about, we’re not leaving anyone out of the conversation, it just gives you an opportunity to more directly get to know somebody that you might be getting to know intimately at some point. But the way that I personally handle it, is I just kind of assume that my conversation with this person is going to be repeated verbatim to their partner. So I would never say anything to them that I wouldn’t say if their partner wasn’t sitting right there. I think that should be everyone’s rule of thumb. Yeah, just just assume that it’s gonna be like parroted Yeah. And badly. Think about telephone, right? Think about that game. Imagine it’s gonna go off. You’re like, You’re beautiful. And you’re back. He said, I had buck teeth, but they were pretty happy. Assume No,


Mallory Gordon  24:51

I don’t know how you got from point A to point B, but I do second telephone. No, I understood that analogy.


Mickey Gordon  24:58

But I don’t think I’ve ever really heard Did anyone ask me to leave you out of the conference now until now,


Mallory Gordon  25:02

it’s a good point that we’ve never been asked to play separately unless it was already on the table or discussed prior. Yeah, that’s true. Nobody ever said it’s, well, no, you


Mickey Gordon  25:12

know what, maybe I cut my own nose off to spite my face there. Because I have had people say that we would like to play with Mallory, but not you. What’s Yeah, that’s a dress. And what’s usually Well, I mean, dating sites, their location, can we hook up with her? We’re looking for a girl and she’s hot. Like don’t even know what it look like. It’s not like they look to me or like, hey, Quasimodo, can we talk to your wife? That’s not what happened. They just were looking for a girl and they thought, hey, you’re hot. Let’s do that. And me, by the way, well,


Mallory Gordon  25:40

and maybe it was just another like in their methodology. You know, some people, you know, unicorn, you know, hunting unicorns is challenging. And maybe the lower hanging fruit is finding a female that’s allowed to play separately with a couple. I mean, we’ve we’ve seen a lot more of that dynamic in the last three or four years and we saw of unicorns That’s true.


Mickey Gordon  26:00

And I you know, what? unicorn exchange is a great playstyle


Mallory Gordon  26:03

Yeah, unicorn exchange. Yeah, that sounds like a white elephant game. Like you play Christmas Eve. Exchange right? Instead of the slot where swap it’s just this one swap. Hey, let’s talk to TdnN see if they can create like a microsite that’s just for unicorn.


Mickey Gordon  26:16

That’s actually a brilliant idea. Even Andy if you’re listening, set that shit up. Right? You know, so I guess maybe in 15 years, we’ve kind of been asked to do all those things but not egregiously you know,


Mallory Gordon  26:29

never end poor taste or bad behavior. I think the two that you mentioned are probably the the only ones that I would give that kind of notation to


Mickey Gordon  26:37

I left a big one off there. Sorry about that. But that’s okay. No, but we have been asked to do a few things that are big no nose like a bareback.


Mallory Gordon  26:46

Oh, yeah. Which is it hasn’t come up in a long time. But when it does, at my always so foreign to me, and I’m like, I don’t think um, no, definitely, most definitely not. Yeah,


Mickey Gordon  26:58

I know couples that are they’re fairly, I don’t wanna say, I don’t know what the word is because it’s not monogamous. And it’s not polyamorous because they’re not in love. And they are two couples, it’s dogmas. I don’t know what it is, but where they are kind of hooked up and they’re fluid bonded and cool. They’re the only people they’re fucking monogamous. swingers have exclusive play partners. There we go. Yeah, maybe? I mean, he and that’s cool. But you meet him at a club? No.


Mallory Gordon  27:27

Yeah. What about we’ve been asked to surprise their partner for a birthday and let’s be honest, you did that to me. For one of my birthday. I


Mickey Gordon  27:36

did. Yeah. But at the same time, it was still a four person event. I just invited them down as a surprise. Here’s our friends that we play with all the time. And we’re all gonna hang out for your and I invited a bunch of your vanilla girlfriends to Okay, that he tried to fuck


Mallory Gordon  27:52

Yes. Rewind that tape for a second. Can you imagine Put yourself in my shoes. It’s my birthday. We have the swinger couple that we had been swinging with for quite some time. He’s very gregarious. Oh my, my girl circle pole dancing friends. Yes, my girl circle there. And he was hitting on all of them. So it’s them. All my girls it was it was a melding of two worlds that oh, well, if they hadn’t figured it out, they knew that most of them were most of them had. No I don’t they weren’t there was only one


Mickey Gordon  28:25

they were sexually non monogamous experience Havers on the regular I don’t know what you want to call it. No, they weren’t don’t know the No, they weren’t only one of them was the other two found interest in it. They’re the ones that are closeted, or like to insecure now one of them ended up having experiences but the rest of him at that point she had not, I guess I am building some of those. Yeah, you’re you’re making up the story that fits your narrative and how but wow. Wow, hi, guys, Mickey’s back and he’s a dick. That’s right. The new Mickey is a penis. You know, I we have had people ask us to expand boundaries that we’ve set prior to play in the heat of the moment. Now that is, like, you know, bareback is just off the table. It’s just really awful. But we talked about, you know, people are like, oh, by the way, I know you said you wouldn’t do blah, but since we’re here anyway. Things like being offered drugs. Yeah. Yep. You know, that’s and say, Hey, well, we brought some of this with us anyway. How would you like to do that? I’m like, Yeah, I feel like I can totally trust you. What else do you have in that trench game?


Mallory Gordon  29:28

Yeah, well, I mean, and I’m not gonna be like somebody else’s young but it does change the dynamic for me. You know, if they want to do whatever they want to do, that’s fine. But it also means if they’re under the influence, I don’t feel as great about it because I won’t do it. Oh, yeah. Well, that’s a different and that’s a that’s just a personal choice for me. That’s me not judging them.


Mickey Gordon  29:46

Why can I consider drug use to be the same as alcohol, that excessive use of alcohol is a consent issue for me and I consider to be drug use the same Yeah,


Mallory Gordon  29:56

even if like everyone’s totally sober and they decide to overindulged. Yeah during Yeah, even then that makes me uncomfortable. Exactly. And I’m



not gonna judge you for it. I’m just not gonna play with you. I mean, it’s Yeah, we’ll see. We’ll see here and babysit you and bring you snacks, right? Yeah, events


Mickey Gordon  30:12

we go to or we don’t play. It has nothing to do with not winning play with people just sometimes it’s just not right. Yeah. How about and this is kind of the last one before we kind of move on? Is it the picture swapping? Oh, every fucking time you get somebody like from Kentucky who’s like, Hey, I know I don’t live anywhere near Central Florida. But let’s exchange pictures and jerk off. Can’t wait, Steve, let’s do that.


Mallory Gordon  30:31

It’s just not our bag. And it’s I guess it makes it a little foreign to us. And I think it’s more common than we really know. That pick pick exchange is a thing. Well, I don’t know. It’s kind of hot with people, you know? Yeah. But I mean, maybe it’s a little bit of a fetish one as people you don’t know. I’m not sure.


Mickey Gordon  30:48

We have some friends that are amazing photographers. And they have beautiful Oh my God. And so when they want to share photographs, it’s super sexy, but we know them. It’s not and so why are we including this in play style dynamics? Because I think for some people that is their playstyle because maybe their partner has no idea. Yeah. Maybe they’re just not into maybe their partner is the slowest person. And so they’re like, Look, let’s just do it this way. And it’ll just be hot and we can look at pictures and talk about it for a year


Mallory Gordon  31:15

plausible. We could probably come up with a six different ideas of you know what we don’t know that could be right, we make up the makeup the in between, but I do find it as an interesting or fascinating behavior. But not that I want. I want to subscribe to


Mickey Gordon  31:29

No, no, it’s I don’t do it. I mean, I do different stuff with our photographs. Anyway, I get a lot of shit online for it. I get a message probably once a week, from some morning dude going, Hey, all these other people have only fans, all these other people are showing off, you know, more TNA more explicit, you know, pussy pictures, why don’t you do that? You should do that. Send them to me. Just send me It’s okay. Just send him to me. Like Yo, my God, dude, you’re so right. Let me just send you this directory of 12,000 photos of Mallory’s vagina that I have. All right, it’s 9000. I’m not that weird. Okay. But so let’s talk about some of the different playstyles. Yes, yeah, the different ones that we’ve encountered and embarked on and what they are


Mallory Gordon  32:10

you kind of? Yeah, you kind of want to go in order from like, most common, most common or where a lot of people start, like, let’s say same room? Sure. See, maybe probably the most common place. The same room could be soft swap could be full swap, but everyone resides in plays in the same square footage area. There’s a door there, everyone’s on one side of it.


Mickey Gordon  32:30

Yeah. And I think that’s popular for safety reasons people feel comfortable. And I do think that that’s one of the biggest challenges both for women and for men for different reasons, that when you go to embark on a non monogamous adventure with another couple, what you’re doing is you’re handing the person you care about the most as a female or a male, to someone else to have intimate time with. And it’s a very vulnerable position for both parties.


Mallory Gordon  32:56

Oh, extremely. When we first started, I was definitely not comfortable being out of your eyesight. I wasn’t necessarily as concerned about keeping tabs on you. I mean, I was interested in what you were doing, but it just felt so foreign and very uncomfortable in the beginning to be outside of there. Like I remember, there was a time early on, I think you left to get like water for everybody. And in my head. I decided that you were you were gone for too long. And I remember feeling so anxious and paranoid. Someone was talking to me and it was like Charlie Brown’s teacher. Yeah. Wah wah, wah, wah. Exactly. I’m like, I know your lips are moving. But don’t understand anything you’re fucking saying right now. Is mine’s my anxieties like peaked? Yeah, I don’t I don’t know why I think it is.


Mickey Gordon  33:43

My person’s disappeared. Maybe he ran off maybe he met somebody and maybe forgot about


Mallory Gordon  33:47

No, me and my brain no be found down. You know, the stairs are being carted off in an ambulance. Definitely. No. Well, again, I guess so. She’s dead. I’m fun. I’ve always cared like you’re hurt or injured.


Mickey Gordon  34:02

You have to worry that I fall into my do a single storey building.


Mallory Gordon  34:07

That’s my worst case scenario, like you were abducted by aliens. Or I don’t know. I just worry about you.


Mickey Gordon  34:14

I’m so glad somebody does. Because the whole world out there is going god he’s an idiot. So what about group play? I think group play and people think same room but group play. What I mean by that is to some for some more some Yeah. Right. It’s it could be more than for sure. Because same room can be. I mean, one of my favorite parts about hotel rooms is they have a sex bed and sleep. Oh, yeah. But when you have a couple over there most experts, that’s true. But if you’re all in one bed, that’s group playing, okay. Right. It’s you’re all in the same space. That means you may have incidental contact. Yes, that’s my foot. Get off me. By you know,


Mallory Gordon  34:48

yeah. Which is the wrong order of those words. That should be get me off.


Mickey Gordon  34:51

That’s right. Get me love. But I do think it’s different. I think that dog pile in group play. Some people really dig it and it’s going Have a fun dynamic. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My friends that really dig it.


Mallory Gordon  35:05

Yeah, no, I love it. Because that means more hands for pets. Which I love my pets you do.


Mickey Gordon  35:13

But yeah, I personally don’t love group play. It’s not my thing, mostly because I have ADD like a motherfucker.


Mallory Gordon  35:20

Yeah, you and I have talked about that. So I think it’s add is one of the reasons you and I understand each other and yours is a little different than mine. But like we overlap and I’m not gonna say Venn diagram even though I just did. Um, there we go again, folks. Another Venn diagram from Matt, we have overlapping tendencies, so we understand each other. But your your tics and hesitations and like where you tend to refocus is totally different work than than I so. But yeah, I can see my dog pals, like, it’s good for me because I have multiple things going on that allowed me to focus on me. It’s weird, like I listen to music or watch Netflix while I work, even when I’m doing some intense research, because it allows me to focus because there’s other things going on. I don’t know how you do that same reason I need a fan on at night. I need the noise I need to that tactile feeling of the wind on my face and listen to the noise.


Mickey Gordon  36:12

Like the only time I can listen to music while I work is when I’m doing accounting for casual toys or taxes or expense reports at work when I’m doing mindless shit. I was gonna say odd number for AIFF to call it Yeah, autonomic functions. Yeah. But if I’m trying to do for JB for casual swinger, I’m working on a website working on graphics. I can’t


Mallory Gordon  36:31

Yeah, and see, the more creative or in depth it is the more I need it. But I digress. So what about separate room play? That’s another dynamic


Mickey Gordon  36:42

that is another dynamic. And we’re gonna talk a lot more about that in a minute. But, you know, separate room is something that I think a lot of people are terrified of,


Mallory Gordon  36:50

especially in the beginning, a lot of people never explore that.


Mickey Gordon  36:53

No, they don’t. And again, for a lot of reasons, there’s trust security, there’s concern for maybe something’s gonna happen that I have no control over, or maybe even just basic logistics. Like, what happens if one couple finishes? are we all going to go watch TV until they get done in that other room? It’s tough. Yeah, it’s stuff you have to communicate about beforehand. And you know, we talked about this a lot in our podcast a Palooza session, but communication is pretty goddamn key. Because things like separate room, that’s where it’s really important. I mean, you’re gonna go beat on the door and go, Hey, I came get out of there. We’re done now. Oh, that’s not how that works. But separate room is very uncommon, actually, from our experience, almost as uncommon as people talking separately and as opposed to in group chats and stuff. Interesting that you mentioned that it is but we’re gonna get back to that. Is that foreshadowing? Yes. And literature we call that foreshadowing, folks? I love you. He’s so good at this about hot wife and cut clay. Let’s talk about them.


Mallory Gordon  37:48

Yeah, I mean, obviously, that’s another dynamic right hot wife, click Play stag, vixen? Anything, you can kind of throw those under an umbrella in a way. All little different in their own sense. But when one player goes out, player, a player a player don’t hate the player hate the game. When one player three is in the game, are we gonna make you explain it? When when one spouse of the couple goes out and plays with another individual or even another a couple of times, or? Yeah, no,


Mickey Gordon  38:22

it is well and so it can be cocky can be cut Queen, cut queen is a female cook. By the way for those that don’t know what that is. But yeah, it’s it’s when one person goes out and plays and the other one gets hella turned on by it and stays home and tries out like hell not to spank their monkey because they want to bug the crap out of their partner when they get home. It’s actually extremely common.


Mallory Gordon  38:43

Yeah, it’s more common than I would have thought. 15 years ago.


Mickey Gordon  38:49

Yeah. It’s outrageously common. Yeah. And how about soft swap full swap oral only? Right. It’s i think i think we that’s all kind of know what those things are. The weird one for me is where people are like oral only Yeah, like don’t touch me down there. But you can kiss it and I we’ve actually had a couple they don’t kiss me. Yes. Don’t get me. It’s all me on the poster. You can hear touch it.


Mallory Gordon  39:16

You can kiss me where it smells funny. But definitely a lot on the lips. Sure.


Mickey Gordon  39:21

I get it. I guess I don’t understand it. I’m not gonna do it. I don’t think it should smell funny. No, it doesn’t smell your smells delicious. Thanks. Yeah. Like, like fairies are down there. It’s going here have fairy dust. Nice. rainbows and sunshine. Yes. Oh, no. rainbows are unicorn farts. Yours don’t smell like unicorn farts.


Mallory Gordon  39:39

Yeah. And then there’s the other dynamic and it’s usually like the disclaimer dynamic. Right? Right. I would do we can do all of the things anything but insert what’s only reserved for my spouse here


Mickey Gordon  39:53

that like kissing. Kissing is a great example of that. Yeah, I only kissed my partner. You know, I can’t I cannot have sex without kissing. I just Kid,


Mallory Gordon  40:00

I can’t, I cannot find. I can’t even imagine trying to find a level of sexual draw desire to someone that I can’t kiss because it’s a precursor. Like when you kiss someone, that’s when the wheels start turning, and you start to anticipate what kind of lover they could potentially be. Yeah, that’s that first gate


Mickey Gordon  40:21

fetish. Well, that’s it, they can’t kiss your face. They’re not going to kiss your pussy worth a damn. That’s a good point, right? Because if they’re too rough, if they’re like, chomping on your cheek or something, or


Mallory Gordon  40:32

biting your tongue, I’ve had somebody do that before, which is very strange.


Mickey Gordon  40:35

I go, like, Oh, my tongue. Or how about reserving like, things that the spouse won’t do? Like? Like, for example, I we’ve actually had this conversation, maybe where some playstyle is, I’m really looking for anal, because my wife won’t do it. And my wife’s totally fine with it. She’s right here, see? And she goes, Yeah, you’re right. I won’t, but you can.


Mallory Gordon  40:54

Or the opposite, because I’m uncomfortable with it. It’s not part of our dynamic in or out of this situation.


Mickey Gordon  41:01

Yeah. So and again, that a lot of this sounds like yucking, somebody else’s yum. And I promise it’s not. It’s just kind of an overview of some of those different dynamics that are out there. They’re all okay, if everyone involved is okay with it. Sure. But if not, everybody’s okay with it. Where’s the where’s this come in? failures of communication. So what ends up happening is because you’re afraid of how people are going to react, people don’t like what you’re going to say, maybe you think that they’re not going to be okay with it. Maybe you hold it back, and then you end up asking for it in the heat of the moment. And that’s how that first thing happens that we talked about earlier in the segment, that now in the heat of the moment, you bring something up, that’s all new, that’s a terrible time to introduce something new. If you didn’t communicate it about it beforehand, then probably shouldn’t communicate about it while you’re having sex. Right? don’t pop new shit on partners and swinging. That’s


Mallory Gordon  41:53

not a good idea. Yeah, no, no, yeah. No, that’s, that’s terrible idea. And so where are we even talking about this? Because I think that overview went a little long. We have a fucking point to this. I don’t care. We haven’t done a show in six weeks, they’re probably gonna forgive us for it. So how about let’s ask a question, Where are we with our exploration? shoots happened in the last six weeks? Yeah. Yeah. I love that. We’re still doing new things over these years. But I’m also shocked that we it took us this long to explore it, and maybe it was just the right time, the right people.


Mickey Gordon  42:22

That’s what I think is gonna happen here in a second, we are going to let our listeners know that there’s something that we hadn’t done before, and they will probably have assume that we did. That’s true. And it’s probably going to be a little shocking.


Mallory Gordon  42:36

Okay, are we gonna give it to them? Because we’re not due for a break. All right, let’s give it to them. Okay, so, since we last spoke to all of you, we actually had legit separate room play. Yeah. And I say legit, because we’ve had play where maybe you were on the main level doing something else. And I was still there. And it’s it’s kind of open air like in reference to our domicile? Sure. And I’ve gone out and done the single guy hot wife thing. But that’s not really separate room because you’re home or elsewhere doing non swinger things. Yeah, they were in it was normal. Yeah,


Mickey Gordon  43:12

I thought it would be very normal transition. But it’s still kind of came out. Like, like, don’t like we all huddled was like okay, and break. And?


Mallory Gordon  43:21

Yeah, yeah, kind of a little bit. But it wasn’t weird. It wasn’t weird. So Woody. So what do we think of it? What? How did how did that transpire?


Mickey Gordon  43:30

I kind of want to hear your thoughts on that. First.


Mallory Gordon  43:34

Okay. So I thought it was amazing. Actually, I very much enjoyed it. I had some reservations, of course, because it’s anything new. Right? You it’s an unknown quantity. So you don’t know what to expect after the fact. Right. And we’ve done such a good job at connecting with these folks. And that leads into something we foreshadowed, folks, is that we actually had an opportunity to engage with them individually. Yeah. And almost like a three way conversation. So we had a group chat with all of us in one place. You know, I would talk to her, I would talk to him, you would talk to her and you kind of talk to him a little bit, I believe. Yeah. Yeah, I like him. He’s a good guy. But we got to know each other a little more intimately. You know, leading up to them coming here, or meeting up? Yeah. And I think it actually helped a lot to establish this foundation and comfort level.


Mickey Gordon  44:33

Here’s what I liked about it. What it allowed us to take very different paths from point A to point B, when a group chat, people tend to follow the leader. So if things get naughty, then it’s a naughty chat for everybody. Yeah. But when you have that separate, segregated conversation, you can move, the two people might move slower than the other two people in terms of their path to being a little more risque or a little more I get it. But we all still arrived at the same place. We just arrived there at different times, which I thought was really interesting.


Mallory Gordon  45:07

Yeah. And I mean, it allowed us because when you think about it from a strategic in this sounds really kidzone candor and authentic in a way, but from a strategic perspective, you want to give the best opportunity to connect with that individual that you’re primarily going to be sleeping with. It’s not your partner. Yeah. And I think that really opened the door, because for me group chats, everyone’s schedules a little different. So I had trouble following and being on the same page as everyone else, when you reduce the number of people to just one other person and the person you’re praying to, nobody gets left behind. And then the two of you are going at your own pace. Yeah. And what was great is everyone was communicating and kind of giving, like summaries or bullet points that are up to date, because we’ve had problems with that in the past where we’ve independently spoken with one person. And they didn’t tell the other person like, you know, you never know how someone’s gonna feel about some things. Let’s trigger and, you know, even they’re just words, they can hurt sometimes. Oh, or be an issue. And this was not the case. It was absolutely wonderful.


Mickey Gordon  46:15

Yeah, it’s, I think it is, and I think we, we kind of covered what was good about it, was there anything bad about it from your perspective that would that would lead us to, we don’t want to do that, again, that plays out and work for us, or the lead into that play style wasn’t effective for us?


Mallory Gordon  46:30

You know, I will update you, if I identify anything that I can say was bad or negative or even indifferent to, yeah, um, nothing’s coming to mind me


Mickey Gordon  46:43

either. I can tell you that. For me. It was a lot of confetti in the air like it. Yeah, it was really good for me, because I have ADD like a motherfucker. So I said that earlier. And it really let me focus on the other person a little bit, which made it a lot more intimate, especially for that person, because I think she needed that. And I think I would absolutely do it again. Matter of fact, I’m looking forward to doing it again. And I think you’re as well. That I am as well, what looking forward to doing it again. Are you paying attention? Are


Mallory Gordon  47:10

you I am you swallowing something? I don’t know, an Egor? I don’t know. I missed that.


Mickey Gordon  47:16

But yeah, I’m looking forward to doing it again, because I think everything about it was great. And the last thing that I have for you is why in the hell have we done that before?


Mallory Gordon  47:24

You know, after all these years, I look back and I’m thinking the same thing. We’ve had some very close relationships. And I don’t know if it was a reflection of the other couples dynamic or that we just never asked or really thought about it. That or that intentionally. Because for us, we’ve only really pursued like, the hot wife kind of aspects. Because that does feed. You and I in a very personal and intimate environment. So dirty for us. And we’ve we love it. Yeah, I’m not really sure I came up with nothing when we were going through the notes on this. Yeah. I came up with it. There’s no I don’t. I don’t know if there was if we had any walls up with that. Do you think you did?


Mickey Gordon  48:12

I think that I had a irrational fear of a dynamic forming that never formed, I think I had an irrational fear that we would lose communicative points that we would lose the group dynamic that it would become about two separate relationships and not the group. And I think what we did really well was maintain that group chat as well as the individual chats.


Mallory Gordon  48:36

Yeah, we didn’t nurture the conversations as a whole. And just like we nurtured the playtime as a whole because it wasn’t just separate room play. I mean, we actually led with it, which was kind of funny. And like, in hindsight, but we also had group play. And it, it was actually a good physical reflection of the conversations we were having. Right? It was, it was fun. It was it was interesting, because I think she led the charge and the initial play separate. And then he did as well. And I was really proud of them. And for many reasons that we won’t get into that. They were kind of like the ringleaders there. And then we we did the group play thing, and it was almost poetic. It was beautiful. Yeah, I


Mickey Gordon  49:21

wish they’d come to podcasts of blues, I think we would have had a lot of fun. We probably would have been a lot less useful to all the attendees.


Mallory Gordon  49:26

I was gonna say we would have not been as hopeful or as present probably. Really, where’s the MC he’s in his room. And a lot of sex anyway.


Mickey Gordon  49:36

Well, what are your thoughts on transitioning between playstyles because, you know, I think everybody starts somewhere some people start soft and seem room or or oral only or they start girl girl only, right? I mean, they were there. Everybody’s got some list of fucked up rules when they get started. We did everybody else has.


Mallory Gordon  49:56

I don’t want to call them fucked up because everyone I mean, if it’s their rules, it’s a prerogative. Sure.


Mickey Gordon  50:00

But is there a way to progress between playstyles? If you wanted to do so in your opinion?


Mallory Gordon  50:04

I mean, sure there is. I mean, we did it. Of course there is, but it’s got to be ever the slowest person’s pace, right? I just think it’s crazy that we haven’t ever really done it before. It’s so mind blowing to me. It’s


Mickey Gordon  50:20

equally mind blowing, would you do it again, I would 100% do it again, even necessarily, with a different couple, but with some caveats. Okay, then obviously, with that couple because it worked out magically was fantastic. So of course, I’m going to do it again. But with, you know, the caveats for a new couple are that we do maintain that group dynamic, and that we let everybody know, they know that we do talk to each other, we are going to communicate wholly and completely we’re going to communicate for ways and make sure that everybody’s on the same page and find out what all of us want from our playtime. Yeah, right. What are you looking for? What you know, what scares you? Because I think irrational fear is the thing that grenades a good time. It really does.


Mallory Gordon  51:06

Yeah, no, I get that. And I don’t know, this is something we could blink, blink it do with just about anyone, per se, right, because everyone’s got their own, you know, rules and regulations and comfort zones. But if we are I do like the approach we took, I think it made it comfortable, more comfortable for all parties. And I think it led to better sex to Oh, God.


Mickey Gordon  51:25

Yes. It was awesome. Yeah, but you know, I will tell you the thing that always kind of stopped me over the years, because I’ve been in the lifestyle very long time. And I’ve done some separate room stuff, you know, before you. And the thing that I always I always go back to and I always think about is how much do I trust this person with the person I love the most. Okay. And I think that’s one of the barriers for people is is my spouse, wife, girlfriend, fuck, buddy, whatever, are they going to be? Okay. And if you are worried about it, you probably shouldn’t be playing with a couple at all. Yeah, and I think the, in my opinion, that’s just my humble opinion. Can


Mallory Gordon  52:02

I get into my experience? I think it was the second time we had departed to do separate room pleasure show to talk. Yeah, so there was a little unexpected anxiety but it was a blend of anxiety and excitement and the best way and God I hope there’s people out there that watch tik tok that know who this person is because this is the I know, I can paint the picture. So there is a woman on tik tok, and she does these sleepwalking videos or no it is silliness. Spooky boo. she the one that farts? Yes. But I did not fart. So you guys are still up there. We had just finished at least like the first or second round. And I went to come like inspections like checking and reading and get waters and all these things. And I’m literally like Scooby Doo gang like tttt tttt, the main floor and like, I want to celebrate all of the things that have just happened. But I’m also not sure of like what I’m supposed to do with myself and what the next steps are. So it was like a robot ran out of the room, grab some water, come back in, lay back down, take the robot hang out, maybe learn a little bit. Get up, put the robe back on, run out giggle look for people. No one come back to the room. Like it was. It was a lot like her videos when she’s in that euphoric state. And she’s just running around giggling and like, going in the fridge and offering inanimate objects like drinks. That was that was pretty much me. Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  53:27

Meanwhile, I’m upstairs doing nothing playing checkers. Yeah, well with a pillow over her face because she was loud. I’m gonna call her checkers from now on. I was playing checkers. Look, if your add is Fuck, like I am, I will say this, that you’re transitioning to a separate room playtime is actually pretty beneficial. It was beneficial for me because you know, when we are in a group dynamic or steam room dynamic, I tend to focus on Mallory,


Mallory Gordon  53:54

okay. And I love that I’m your favorites, human being and I love that you’re so interested, and my pleasure and my happiness, that that’s a part of it. But I have, I do feel like it’s a hindrance on your own pleasure, because then you focus there takes away from your partner. But it also could potentially take away from your ability to get off. It does every time. And when we were talking about the separate play. I’m like, you know, I would really love to see how this impacts your ability to have more orgasms. Yeah,


Mickey Gordon  54:30

I think it does impact it. One of the things that I remember is obviously a few weeks ago, but one of the things I remember the most is that I had zero trouble I normally like condoms are an issue right and unique condom has been a huge boon for me. The unique condoms are the most sensitive condom I’ve ever felt. So I think it was a combination of the unique condoms and the separate room right? But are you gonna tell you’re gonna make jokes about the fucking labels on the condoms? I know. But those condoms And the separate room made it to where I had no reptile issues at all like I was harder than Chinese algebra the whole fucking time. I was I was as hard as on naturale


Mallory Gordon  55:09

man, like all natural like you were ready to go with it. I know nothing. I was super excited for that. That was wonderful. You know, I enjoyed using the condoms as well. It definitely helps me a lot of them. You owe me money. I was lucky. That was rude. But one of the best parts was picking the stickers off your guys’s butts and balls because apparently as girls are you guys when like I put them on every time. I think he kind of liked it. But they never failed like, because it’s Dickerson you’re crevasses.


Mickey Gordon  55:51

I know I had one of my ball sack in the shower. And I was like, why do I have a green sticker? There’s one I can’t remember whose button was on. But it’s the sticker. See insert penis here. Oh, no, it was the best flick. It’s not close to taking a picture. Definitely not my button. Alright, well look, we’re gonna come back in just a hot second for you guys. I This episode is going to run just a couple of minutes long. But we don’t want to leave this out. We’re gonna come back and talk a Mallory’s toy box. We’re going to talk about the poem power extreme. It’s a new one. So awesome. Yeah, Mallory is going to talk all about this. I am



I was a little scared of it. Not gonna lie. But we’ll get into that all new stuff. Mallory want to let everybody know where to find us. And we’ll be back in a whole second.


Mallory Gordon  56:31

Yeah, we’re casual swimmer everywhere. It’s casual swing, calm, you can reach out to us podcast at casual swinger calm. If you like us want to leave us some love notes. Feel free to do that on iTunes. let other people know that we’re great. We’re also on social media. That’s Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. And you can find us on the dating apps as well. That’s why Celeste sec and Cassidy.


Mickey Gordon  56:56

You know, it’s funny. I sit over here and I mock you for this like in my head. And I know that I could never do what you do. I could never get all that.


Mallory Gordon  57:02

Yeah. And he tried to distract me by counting and like trying to recite it or move your lips the same time as me. I’m an awful person. Yeah, I


Mickey Gordon  57:09

don’t know why you love me or suck my penis. That’s a great penis. There it is, folks. He’s got a great penis and he and his penis. We’ll be back with the beautiful Mallory in just a second. You’ve been listening to casually.


Mallory Gordon  57:35

Hey, guys, welcome back to casual swinger. It’s Mallory again. Did you get confused about what show this is? Oh, well, back to you. Casual I didn’t say. No, you didn’t. I did though. Jerk. Hey, welcome to my box. I love your box. Do you like to see what’s inside my box today? A few things inside your box in the last six weeks? That’s true. I’ve been playing with a lot of different things. Mm hmm. Yum, yum. Mallory’s toy box? Yeah. So yeah, we’re gonna do a toy box session because I feel rather spoiled these days. I got a few new toys over the last, you know, six weeks that we’ve been on hiatus unbeknownst to our listeners, you have a stack of toys I do. And this one I’m really excited about. You know, I’m a big proponent and supporter of the womanizer, that thing has changed my life. And I still love my ones I just struggled to use ones during play. Because of the ergonomics of it and the placement of it because of typically where I like to have the dual stimulation. I’m usually on my knees or face down or on my side. So it’s a curved like we’re spooning essentially, while we’re fucking are you doing me doggy style, but you used to use a wand every time I used to. Yeah, I used to use the nachi. And it just got to the point that was too cumbersome. To do so to hold the angles, right. And we placed Ray and I got so clunky that it was frustrating. It was actually taken away from potential natural orgasms. And oh, it was just a nightmare. That’s when we actually got the wedge because a wedge had the Hitachi o hole for it. Which is amazing. But it’s still not useful except for in that one position. Yeah, that’s right. We hadn’t figured like I’ve tried to bear hug it. Down face up. Yeah. That’s sitting, isn’t it? Looking at you, Derek. Yeah, so we found this toy. Actually, you found this toy and surprise me with it. There was a little goodie bag that was waiting for me when I get home. And it’s called a poem power extreme. And I keep on I call it a Palm Pilot. I know that’s like something totally else. It’s a utilitarian and outdated archaic tool. Now Ellery has dated herself. Hey, did everyone should date themselves. You do see sex toys all the time. But what I love about this, so it’s a one, but it’s a tilted one. Like it’s got it’s got an angled head. It does. And I was right before we started recording this. I was like, I don’t know how to describe it. You That hockey stick or a golf club, and yeah, that’s kind of the nature of it. So the head is perpendicular almost to the handle. It’s about a 4550 degree angle from the handle. Yeah. And it’s actually a really great angle. So if I’m laying on my belly or on my side, I don’t have to put my wrist in my hand in an uncomfortable position to make contact to where I feel is natural and comfortable for me. You can almost lay it flat on your belly. I could almost lay flat on my belly. You’re correct. Yeah, yes, almost lay flat on my belly and have this right underneath. It’s got a little bit of height to it. So I do have to like kick my hips up a little bit or use a pillow, which is or a wedge, which is kind of my go to like the little soft wedge, not the big wedge. But what I love about this is it’s got a few things going for it is water resistant. So no, don’t take it in the bathtub. It’s not submergible but you know, if I was in the shower if you’re squirter totally fine. Okay, yeah, silicone head. It’s got a silicone head. It’s USB rechargeable, which is kind of a half, two, there’s not many battery operated toys out there that, you know, I would go to, you know, the maps for these days. rechargeables kind of everything in my toy bag right now.


Mickey Gordon  1:01:09

You know what I noticed about the rechargeable part though? It’s a micro USB.


Mallory Gordon  1:01:12

Micro USB. Yeah. So like regular old your phone charger can return? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don’t turn it on dad. It’s super super, this why it is super quiet. I’m kidding. And I’ve been sitting here for so it’s got seven functions, which means it’s got certain degrees of level right as far as the intensity, the vibration, and then pattern vibration to it, right. So may do some short bursts and long bursts, then pause and some short bursts and long burst and pause and the intensities are, you know, different. I’m not a mode girl or function girl. But because I get really annoyed because right when I feel like I’m gonna edit pauses, or it’s like when you tell your partner Oh, that feels so good. Keep doing that. And then they stop and they do something else. That’s kind of what it feels like. To me that’s doing intensity is really, really nice. So it’s got a nice scale. And what I love about this, so it’s got an on and off button. And if you hold on, there’s a function button. So it’s really simple. On function, good to go. Nice. But if you hold down the function button, what it will do is it started a low intensity, and then gradually increase the high intensity. So it’s almost no thought involved. It’s cool if I wanted to increase or decrease it. So I absolutely fucking love that. And what’s even better, easy instructions on how to lock the damn thing. So if Yeah, and I love traveling with a couple vibrators, I need them and when I’m traveling because I never have an opportunity to go out on my own when I’m out for work. So I’m going to 100% be masturbating in my hotel room by myself. And there’s nothing more embarrassing than when they pull your fucking suitcase out of the overhead compartment and go Whose is this? And everyone on the plane can hear it vibrating asked me how I know Oh, God, I wish I was there. And it’s and I can’t be like y’all whacking off and I can’t be like that’s my toothbrush cuz I don’t bring me electric Run with me.


Mickey Gordon  1:03:06

Sure, ma’am. That’s your toothbrush. So how do you compare the palm power extreme? And I said that, like, all the keywords are extreme. How do you compare that to the doxy, which is our like most favorite one.


Mallory Gordon  1:03:19

So I love the doxy wand, it’s similar weight, if it were a sword, and I’ve just we’ve watched fortune and fire lately, the balance is different. This is definitely heavier at the head because it’s got a high quality silicone flexible head. And I believe the motor is located right behind it. But it makes the handle nice and light, where the doxy it’s more balanced. You feel like equal weight distribution. Sure. So if I’m masturbating, it’s kind of a toss up between the two. It’s whether I like the standard wand sensation because the docks has got a higher RPM to it. So the vibrations feel different, even on low it’s think about when you’re going down on someone and it’s the same amount of pressure, but the cadence of the tongue flicking changes. I mean, I don’t know if really, as far as physics goes, that’s the best analogy. But that’s all I got right now. The docs is so wonderful. The head is not as flexible on the doxy. This has a little more play to it. But it still has stability. So it’s still firm enough to keep in place. I’ve had vibrators where the head just totally flexes backward. And you have to like write it like a bowl, just to kind of keep it in place if you’re you know, hitting the right spots.


Mickey Gordon  1:04:35

So for straight masturbation. Would you still go with the doxy because of its build quality battery life


Mallory Gordon  1:04:41

sucks is still gonna be one of my favorites, hands down. And I actually think it’s essentially replaced my Hitachi because and I love the Dachi It’s great. It’s just so fucking big. Yes. And then I look at like, like I’m an average size woman. I’m only five five. I say only but that’s another tall For short, I’m right in the middle. But like I think of smaller women with smaller hands trying to use a Hitachi and that’s got to be extremely cumbersome holding times Unless, you know, they’re like, you know, super built and have really strong risks. And, you know, I don’t know like, I’m all about more comfort. I feel like that episode of Grayson, Frankie I can’t even think of it. It’s a Netflix show, I watched with Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda. And they created this vibrator for old lady older ladies because they have issues with like carpal tunnel and arthritis and everything. And I’m kind of, I’m getting to a point where comfort is, is it important, just as important as quality as well. And that’s why I love the doxy I really like this I actually have only played with myself. So I’m looking forward to a session tonight to see how it does under pressure. So more to come, folks. Yeah, see what I did there. But as a masturbation toy, this is absolutely fantastic. And I would, it’s not so big that I wouldn’t travel with it. I’ve never traveled with my Hitachi even the rechargeable one because it is fairly large and I’m carry on only if I can get away with a girl and this won’t impede that. And it’s got to travel. And it’s got a travel lock which is a big deal. It’s a huge deal. I hate being embarrassed


Mickey Gordon  1:06:18

sorry captain. That’s just my vibrate Yeah, well there you go folks. That is the pomp our extreme that is a toy that is available on casual toys.com you can check it out in our brand new fancy ass search engine. The upper left hand corner if you click search you can even spell that shit wrong. It will bring up the right toy for you at the right time and look for any Yeah, what I love that new search engine Yeah, to use it.


Mallory Gordon  1:06:40

And I’ll tell you what, like the the doxy retails for what $220 Exactly. So it’s a it’s a pretty high end toy. This is half that 103 50 Yes Have that cost and if you reach out or use our ambassador or affiliate links codes, save some cash on it too. So this is so high quality item at a lesser cost. Sure.


Mickey Gordon  1:07:01

I think it’s a great thing. And make sure to check out those ambassadors of ours for casual toys. There’s ambassadors are alleycat and honey spoon in the baby pineapple at twitter. Yeah, you can find them on Twitter. So harass them those ladies have done a great job for us out there just honestly answering questions for you guys. That’s why they’re ambassadors. Yeah, they do a lot with our laundry lines a lot. And we have a lot of kisses back in stock. Oh yeah, lots of kicks. These are back in stock. So that’s kind of a big deal. And also we carry Levin’s now.


Mallory Gordon  1:07:29

Those are so correct me if I’m wrong. Levin’s is one of those Apotex toys that we’ve seen on like only fan sites and like chatterbait and stuff like that we got some pink sticking out of the posi elevens I have a little man in the boat that’s very very pink.


Mickey Gordon  1:07:45

Well that’s that’s loving. But yeah, no Levin’s is she’s right. That’s the chatterbait all the rage because people can control it remotely. And so all the elevens app actually lets you connect to sites like chatterbait Pornhub I think has a plugin for it where you can actually okay you know that connect with your listeners your followers so if you are a creator out there Levin’s make some great products and we carry them all in casual toys.com now that’s awesome. I’m pretty excited about it. You want to tell everybody how to how to find us we can get out of this long you know, you can make it a short one because we’ve only been here about 10 minutes for Toy Box


Mallory Gordon  1:08:19

guys, we fucking missed you. Thanks for hanging in there with us. We’re gonna get you know, get back up to speed here and hold Mickey to his word. We’re casual swinger everywhere. Please feel free to shoot us a note if you have any questions or comments podcasts at casual swinger Comm. You’d find us on social media, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube or on the dating sites. W nation Cassidy SLS in Assisi.


Mickey Gordon  1:08:39

She’s gotten better at it as the episode has gone along. Join us next time, folks, when we’re going to bring our friends the monogamous marriage. You’re going to join us for the next episode. As we wrap up season three. You’ve been listening to the swinger

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Mickey Gordon, Mallory Gordon


Mallory Gordon  00:09

Welcome to casual swinger. If you’re under 18, the following podcast is not appropriate for you. The subjects and language are for mature audiences only. If you’re not mature in nature, just make sure you’re old enough to vote. We don’t take ourselves seriously ever. no guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any opinions or statements made on this podcast or website or a blog. It’s all in fun, folks. This isn’t Dr. Phil. Now consider yourself the listener properly advised. Welcome back to another episode of casual swinger Mallory here,


Mickey Gordon  00:55

and this is Mickey


Mallory Gordon  00:56

and we’re so happy for you guys to join us. This is our spooktacular episode. We’re going to be talking some Halloween themes here today. Eat that right Mickey?


Mickey Gordon  01:07

Oh, gosh, this is your time of year. Love all this spooky shit.


Mallory Gordon  01:10

I love Halloween. The holidays of me are like, so tight. Um, yeah, it’s my favorite time of year and Halloween really kicks it off for me.


Mickey Gordon  01:19

It really does. And you know, a Halloween spooktacular you know, it’s the beginning of October. Why are we doing a Halloween episode now? Because you guys have all month to plan your parties. You have all month to figure your shit out. So when I talk about this stuff now


Mallory Gordon  01:31

Absolutely. Come mid month. That’s when all the parties all the events start happening. And you either one. If you haven’t booked, you have to decide soon, right? Because that shit usually gets booked up. Especially for example, let’s talk about secrets. Like their event gets booked. Oh, they’re sold out? Yeah, yeah,


Mickey Gordon  01:50

I can’t get a room. Right? I mean, there won’t be any room in the play rooms down there. It’s gonna be nuts,


Mallory Gordon  01:55

right? Planning costume, maybe dates, so on and so forth. And yeah, just a great time to talk about this. What do you guys think of our Halloween music?


Mickey Gordon  02:03

It was it was kind of fun.


Mallory Gordon  02:05

It was fun. It was cute. You did a great job. It’s a little Nightmare Before swing Miss. Right.


Mickey Gordon  02:10

You know, for me, I think that if we do an episode that’s kind of unique or special right, Christmas, Jamaica, Halloween, you know, I like to kind of mix up the music.


Mallory Gordon  02:19

I love it. Because it’s kind of like how I match my shoes. My belt my purse. You know what I mean?


Mickey Gordon  02:24

Is that really what you’re bringing me down? Great.


Mallory Gordon  02:28

Do you have hate speaking of Halloween? I have a few jokes for you that I heard recently. That made me laugh.


Mickey Gordon  02:34

Oh god.


Mallory Gordon  02:34

Can we do this? Alright,


Mickey Gordon  02:36

real quick. Mom jokes on casual swear.


Mallory Gordon  02:39

No. All right. Um, oh, I love this one. Why couldn’t the witch have children?


Mickey Gordon  02:45

Oh, God. Why?


Mallory Gordon  02:47

Because her husband had a halloweeny


Mickey Gordon  02:52

run with you. I told you these are gonna be mom jokes.


Mallory Gordon  02:57

What do you call a Halloween Boehner? What? petrified wood?


Mickey Gordon  03:04

I hope you’re having fun. I really do.


Mallory Gordon  03:06

There’s so funny. Oh, I


Mickey Gordon  03:09

don’t know that. You’ll


Mallory Gordon  03:09

get this one. Why didn’t the vampire bite Taylor Swift?


Mickey Gordon  03:14

Oh, no. I’m mystified because she had bad blood. You’re right. I wouldn’t have gotten that. If you hadn’t sang it and danced it for me right here in the studio. Because you’re welcome. I wouldn’t be caught dead listening to Taylor Swift.


Mallory Gordon  03:34

You’re welcome. I think that’s it. I will bore you with a wart. Oh, gosh. Alright, let’s get into the episode. Do we want to start with housekeeping I we really should start with.


Mickey Gordon  03:43

I’m still stuck on you dancing and doing the Taylor Swift thing. So I’ll be over here horrified for Halloween spooktacular. Folks, where are we at? What are we doing? We have got so much stuff going on. So this is the stupid ads portion of casual swinger. It’s not stupid. But if you want to know where we’re going and what we’re doing, this is the time you should listen up. Now what do we got?


Mallory Gordon  04:02

So obviously, secrets is around the corner for us. So we’ll be attending their Halloween bash, the weekend 26 to 26 Thank you. So looking forward, as it was so much fun. Last year, we had some takeaways from last year’s event and some advice to give our listeners later on. So we’ll be there October 26. We’re actually going to be there this Saturday as well for the iOS event and benefit for breast cancer awareness. Who doesn’t love boobies,


Mickey Gordon  04:30

I’m a big fan of hits. And we are going to go down there and we’re going to celebrate tits this weekend. That’s actually coming up this Saturday. There’ll be there Friday and Saturday but we’ll be there on Saturday. We’re gonna do a little bit of recording and some podcasting while we’re there. I don’t know exactly how it’s all gonna shake out. I know there’s a lot of personality is going to be there. Mark and Carly are going to be there and an iOS connection. This is going to be there. DJ be smooth. We’re going to have Taylor time. So we got a bunch of really good Yeah, it’s


Mallory Gordon  04:56

gonna be amazing.


Mickey Gordon  04:58

We’ll uh, we’ll just do what we do. I think we’re going to get out we’re going to give away a bunch of casual swinger swag and maybe we’ll do a little recording somewhere off in a corner. Maybe we’ll dance maybe we’ll throw a game there. We’ll do some parties. I don’t know. We’ll figure shit out. It’s gonna be fun.


Mallory Gordon  05:11

We’re just gonna have a good fucking time.


Mickey Gordon  05:12

Yes. And you’ll be naked


Mallory Gordon  05:14

and emphasize on the fucking lots of fun.


Mickey Gordon  05:17

Hey, you know what, speaking of fucking, if you talk about fucking with some of your favorite podcasters you can do that in May 2020 with podcast Palooza that is coming up in May 2020 in Miami, Florida. So in the show notes, we’ll have a link where you can book your room. We’re more than 50% sold out for that event already.


Mallory Gordon  05:36

Wow, that’s I’m so excited. I can’t wait.


Mickey Gordon  05:39

Yeah, pretty excited, too. I think it’s gonna be a lot of fun. Kate is just straight killing herself. If you look at some of those awesome, awesome entertainment and just events and stuff she’s got planned.


Mallory Gordon  05:50

Yeah, the add ons on the attention to detail. I’m so impressed. I really can’t wait for this event to pop off because it’s going to be amazing. And I can’t wait to party with our listeners and the other podcasters there. If you guys have questions about the event or want to travel with us just go on over to casual swinger comm and hit us up there.


Mickey Gordon  06:06

Right. Hey, and you know what, speaking party party on Garth. Party on Wayne. That’s right. What is waiting, Garth. So coming up here in November, we’re going to Rachel’s rascals to hedonism. And we have some theme nights there. And one of those theme nights is a Hollywood theme night and Mallory decided that we’re gonna be waiting, Garth,


Mallory Gordon  06:25

I am sorry, that was one of my favorite skits on SNL. And it’s also a rock star theme night. So like, it kind of merges both. Both? Oh, yeah,


Mickey Gordon  06:35

I got a big inflatable guitar. I just, it’s gonna be so cool. But I was like you,


Mallory Gordon  06:44

I just really want an excuse to wear my epic Aerosmith shirt. Oh, it’s gonna be honest and tease my hair and wear goofy glasses.


Mickey Gordon  06:51

It really is going to be fun. We’re going to be there from the ninth to the 19th. So for some reason, you’re going to be a hedonism or you know, somebody is going to be at hedonism. Look for my jackass and a great big black top hat. And I’ve got a bunch of other top hats I’m gonna be wearing, but there’ll be a casual swinger top hat, and we got goodies on top of goodies on top of goodies to geek out.


Mallory Gordon  07:08

We do and we’re going to be playing once under my hat. So if you’re not on site, you can play on social media.


Mickey Gordon  07:15

That’s right. And you know what, maybe we’ll do a what’s under my hat for our Twitter followers. That would be fun.


Mallory Gordon  07:20

I think that’s the plan. Okay.


Mickey Gordon  07:22

Yeah, it’s gonna be fun. So if you want to wish a casual Springer swag, pay attention to our Twitter feed, November 9 through the 19th to play what’s under my hat. Now, what else do we got going on? We got summer swing coming up in June 2020. with iOS connections at Hito.


Mallory Gordon  07:36

Yeah, yeah, last week of June 2020. Like you said, we’re traveling back down to our favorite place in the world to spend time with lifestyler. So


Mickey Gordon  07:44

yes, this is a full on lifestyle trip, which is a little different than our rascal trips, even though those are lifestyle friendly trips, this is going to be straight up freak them. So we’re going to have a lot of fun down there that time that’s in June 2020, check out our website. That’s www casual Springer calm to get some more information on that. And also


Mallory Gordon  08:02

Oh, one last thing here, I have to say how fucking proud I am to be your wife. Right now. Mickey recently wrote an article and contributed to ASN magazines October issue covering the champagne club. We talked to Susan Wright of ncsf. Earlier in a previous podcast, and touch on this issue regarding, you know, sex forward or sex oriented businesses and communities. And the champagne club has been under some fire and some pressure in Fort Wayne, Indiana. If you haven’t read it, please go to the October issue of ASN magazine and take a look. It’s got some really interesting information in there. He did a lot of research. So again, so proud of you. Oh,


Mickey Gordon  08:49

thank you. Yeah, you know, good


Mallory Gordon  08:50



Mickey Gordon  08:51

For me. I think the toughest part about it is much effort went into that article, the toughest part was waiting to talk to all of you guys about it, because we had folks on like, the National Coalition for sexual freedom, Susan, right. And we had all these other things we wanted to talk about. And we still have an upcoming interview with Melissa and Eric, who are the owners and proprietors of the champagne club, because they actually have a really cool story to tell, and kind of overcoming strife and how much they’ve been put through, not just with the champagne club, but they actually had another club that was shut down in a city in a neighboring town they were trying to open. So there’s a lot going on there. And there’s a lot going on to fight for and defend your rights when it comes to sexual freedom. And the National Coalition for sexual freedom is on the forefront of that. So I think this was really big to talk about. And I was really excited that Mike from ASN gave me the opportunity to tell that story. He gave me a lot of space to do it with which, you know, I use a lot of words.


Mallory Gordon  09:51

I love that that may be one of the most sexiest things about you and my humble opinion is you’re just you’re wurtsmith Oh,


Mickey Gordon  10:01

I didn’t know about all that, but I used enough of them that you fuck me. So that was pretty cool.


Mallory Gordon  10:05

This is true silver tongue devil. Yeah.


Mickey Gordon  10:07

Right. I’m glad you said silver tongued devil in that STD for short, because that just comes out wrong. Yeah,


Mallory Gordon  10:12

that’s not good. That’s not good. No, but the article was great. And like I said, you did a lot of research. And it was very exciting. If I had known what the story was previously, it really painted, you know, a picture of what’s going on there.


Mickey Gordon  10:25

Thanks so well, and you know, that magazine also had the ladies of the lifestyle the ladies the lifestyle, we’re talking about folks like Kate, we’re talking about folks like Tara from sex. I’m interrupted. Bonnie from Tom and bunny was in there. Let’s see. Yes, Hannaford write tests from Nadi, New Orleans. So just a lot of really, really cool personalities in the lifestyle for ladies. So I love that they really encompassed all of that and talked about those folks, and gave them an opportunity to tell their own story, in their own words with their questionnaires. So super cool. And we liked it so much, that our casual toys code for this week is ASN mag, that’s a s n m a g, that’ll get you a 20% off casual toys calm, which is our little corner where you can buy sex toys from your friends at casual swinger. So that’s kind of how we do our thing. We don’t have a Patreon or anything like that, if you want to buy a womanizer, we’ll make sure you get 20% off and yeah, we make like five bucks. So


Mallory Gordon  11:24

thanks for that. And also, I think about you getting off masturbating all the listeners and people who patronize our site, so just


Mickey Gordon  11:32

there you go. Mallory’s a freak everybody.


Mallory Gordon  11:34

A little tidbit there.


Mickey Gordon  11:35

She thinks about you whacking it. I do all the times. Well, how about today? What are we talking about today? Enough of this shitty ad section. What are we gonna talk about?


Mallory Gordon  11:43

Ah, we’re gonna talk about three big fears and the lifestyle but we’re the hook. They all have Halloween themes.


Mickey Gordon  11:51

Whoo, spooky. very spooky. Yeah, so spooky that I forgot to do this. Spooky.


Mallory Gordon  12:01

I am. I’m gonna hide the mixing board. Oh, that’s so it’s out of your reach.


Mickey Gordon  12:06

You really should because that was one of my favorite sound effects.


Mallory Gordon  12:09

Alright, so we’re going to talk about jealousy, go Steen. And say now, you know what


Mickey Gordon  12:15

those are. You know what we’re gonna get into that in a few minutes. Before we get into that. Let’s catch up on what else is coming up in this episode cuz we talked about what we’re doing and our shady ad section. We talked about what we’re doing today. But we’ve got a segment for you. You know, we’ve had so many interviews lately. When we do interviews we don’t do a segment to keep that


Mallory Gordon  12:32

long we’ve missed segments. No Jeff James no cocktail corner and we’ve


Mickey Gordon  12:36

ignored our favorite guy. Oh, my guide, our neighbor, our neighbor, our Florida man. That’s right. And


Mallory Gordon  12:44

Florida woman can’t forget that bitch be crazy.


Mickey Gordon  12:48

So we’re going to talk about all the things that everybody’s raging favorite psychopath has been up to lately with some stories in the news that’s going to come at the end of this episode of casual swinger. But before we get into that, I want to tell everybody where they can find us and we’ll take a quick break and come back with hot tober


Mallory Gordon  13:06

love it


Mickey Gordon  13:06

Halloween time.


Mallory Gordon  13:07

I can do this. Alright guys, you can find us on social media as casual swinger that’s Twitter, Instagram, YouTube. You can also find us casual swinger calm you can find us on the sites that SLS SDC double the nation quiver? am I forgetting any cassity? Also, you have questions email us at podcast at casual swinger Comm. And if you’re loving the show, please consider giving us an iTunes review.


Mickey Gordon  13:35

We do like that. It’s really validation. That’s all it really is.


Mallory Gordon  13:38

I love affirmation.


Mickey Gordon  13:39

I like it makes me feel good. It’s so big. That’s all right. Please agenda. We’ll be back right after this with your Halloween spooktacular fun casual swinger. We’ll be right back. Welcome back to casuals.


Mallory Gordon  14:10

And I’m drunk. Now. Valerie?


Mickey Gordon  14:13

I can’t do it. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. That’s right now. Finger dues finger. No, we should not do impressions. No. button. No. You


Mallory Gordon  14:29

that is not right. Sexy.


Mickey Gordon  14:31

So we’re back with our Halloween spooktacular we’re gonna talk about what we’re scared of for Halloween, but


Mallory Gordon  14:38

before we do, they don’t see Palmetto bugs on this list. So that’s definitely one of mine. No,


Mickey Gordon  14:44

but you know, what is Halloween for swingers? It’s like Christmas.


Mallory Gordon  14:49

It is it really is because you could be anything you want to be right on top of being horny.


Mickey Gordon  14:56

Right? What was I for Halloween? I was warning. Yeah, well You know, but it’s that time of year you can be anything in the world you want to be there’s parties all over the place. Like we said earlier in the introduction, make sure you book early because there’s a lot of places that are already sold out. We’re going to be waning, Garth, right. We talked about


Mallory Gordon  15:13

I am so excited. It’s so cheesy, but that’s, that’s definitely in our wheelhouse.


Mickey Gordon  15:17

Well, but what I like about it is, it’s a couple, right? So everybody knows that there were two things which I think is pretty cool.


Mallory Gordon  15:24

Yeah. And, and it also gives the impression of like, it’s almost like you have to be this tall to ride like, you have to be this old. Like, if you don’t get the joke, then you’re way too young for me to have sex with you.


Mickey Gordon  15:34

Right? Right. Well, but not for me because I’m a dirty old man. Okay, fair. Totally fine. But you know, we made this huge mistake last year for Halloween, we we went to secrets. And so I will tell you that Mallory did this bang up job on my Halloween. You look awesome. Like, I mean, we had the most badass costume. She was so sexy. It was hot as shit. Matter of fact, I will find a picture and I will post it on Twitter for you guys. Yeah,


Mallory Gordon  16:03

I think we looked pretty good. You went? Oh, you were a voodoo witch doctor and I was your voodoo doll.


Mickey Gordon  16:09

Yeah, yeah, it’s kind of like, I mean, it was a voodoo witch doctor slash zombie slash freakish thing. And the only reason I realized that we had fucked up is because every time Mallory walked away from me at secrets, I was alone, we would have 20 people around us, you’d leave. And I’m standing there like i’d farted.


Mallory Gordon  16:29

Which is, which is so funny. Because usually in a normal situation, I will leave you and like maybe we’ve engaged with a couple or two, and having conversations and I’ll offer to go to the bar, and I’ll come back and all of a sudden, there’s 30 people standing there because you’re so engaging and warm and welcoming to people like it’s a moth to a flame. And that come back and you’re alone.


Mickey Gordon  16:49

And weird. That was for me. I was like, Hey, how you doing? And they’re like, Uh huh, bye. And they turn around and run away and I guess it was those contact lenses I add in. But they were literally looking at me going


Mallory Gordon  16:59

Fuck, no, no, no, well, in your hat had these really long, dirty dreads and I didn’t realize it till the end of the night. But they had like that funny chemical smell to them. Like they had been dipped in something.


Mickey Gordon  17:08

And I was scary.


Mallory Gordon  17:09

Maybe just a little bit good. Okay, sorry. So hey,


Mickey Gordon  17:12

don’t let mal redress you for Halloween, folks. Lesson number one,


Mallory Gordon  17:16

we we should learn this lesson years ago, I don’t really know what we were thinking. So I think it’s important for us to reiterate that, you know, have fun with your costume, but keep that element of yourself because if you totally hide what you actually look like, it makes it harder for people to want to fuck you want to fuck you and engage with you? And I don’t know that that’s really conscious. I mean, I don’t know what do you think?


Mickey Gordon  17:41

I think absolutely true. I think that anybody that we’ve ever met on Halloween at a lifestyle party if they are you know wearing a giant mask or something then you have no idea if you’re interested in them or not. I mean, remember that one woman that chased me now with a hammer


Mallory Gordon  17:58

Yeah, she she was not on her best behavior. She had some poor etiquette issues there. Yes. actually physically assaulting you. She was just me. I was at the point that you know, I was happy to play defense.


Mickey Gordon  18:11

Yeah, I wasn’t happy and you know, and then she brought over the Joker which was her husband and he was very aggressive toward you and it just but you know, it really was that I couldn’t see them their makeup was so thick and it was just such a departure from who they actually were that it made it less attractive. So I went and committed the exact same mistake I put on makeup that no one could see what I look like put on you know contacts. And I was scary. So now we didn’t have any success last Halloween at all numb and you looked amazing. name was super hot. So I think that was a big mistake. swingers want to know who they’re banging in a damn sure isn’t a witch doctor zombie.


Mallory Gordon  18:46

Fair enough.


Mickey Gordon  18:47

So be some version yourself. Unless you’re there a party of course. Right? Because it secrets the play rooms are sodium full. You can’t get in anyway.


Mallory Gordon  18:54

Yeah. And I don’t feel like you have to go like over the top elaborate to be interesting in your costume choices. Right? What was it sitting Nancy? That we met at that same Halloween party with Harley Quinn and the joker? I


Mickey Gordon  19:07

really liked them. I


Mallory Gordon  19:07

think them and my inner like music diva was like, Oh,


Mickey Gordon  19:13

I forgot about Yeah, you were totally into them.


Mallory Gordon  19:15

Yeah. You could totally see who they really were.


Mickey Gordon  19:17

So think it was a minute. They were themselves. They they played up their love for music and you know, the Euro trash invasion. And yeah, and all of a sudden they had your attention. Yeah, you were transfixed? I forgot all about that. Yeah. I don’t know why we didn’t play with them. Yeah, we didn’t for some reason.


Mallory Gordon  19:33

I don’t know. Oh, I


Mickey Gordon  19:34

think we went upstairs. Remember those play rooms were just like very,


Mallory Gordon  19:38

they were sketchy as hell and they were all open to the public. And people were sent around, jerking off and I’m like, Oh, that’s cool for the people that like that scene, but it wasn’t mine. I was not comfortable there personally. Just


Mickey Gordon  19:49

that was pretty early in our lifestyle journey too. So we were not quite as open as we were as we are now. So yeah,


Mallory Gordon  19:55

I mean, I’m an exhibitionist, but to throw down in a mattress with three other couples will 20 Guys are, you know, sitting around whacking it? I’m not judging that, like, I would cheerlead and sideline like the hell out of it for somebody else, but it’s just wasn’t my scene.


Mickey Gordon  20:09

No, because that’s not your thing. You don’t want to be just get.


Mallory Gordon  20:12

You just get Oh, Rose What does that show called that we watch big mouth? Oh my god. All these years I didn’t think I could be like shocked right here especially by cartoons like that. But big mouth is fucking nasty. Oh, it was disgusting we were working on I’m on the treadmill and I almost fell off three times.


Mickey Gordon  20:32

I was so funny.


Mallory Gordon  20:32

If you have Netflix and you’ve seen this show?


Mickey Gordon  20:35

Yeah. Here’s the shit that just melts, said they’re just mouth big house. Anyway, they were two guys, we’re gonna jerk off on a triscuit and make somebody eat it. That was just good. Alright, so speaking of let’s talk about what we’re scared of, cuz I know I’m scared of the bus scared of in the lifestyle. We’ve talked to so many people in the last 13 years that we’ve been doing this. And there’s been a few themes that have come up more than others when people talk about things scare, or things that frustrate them, and just kind of occupy cycles. And we earlier we told you there jealousy, ghosting and saying no. Which you shouldn’t be scared of saying no. But people are. So we’re going to talk about that a little bit today. But before we do I actually have a question for my beautiful co host. All right, what is it? What scares you the most in the lifestyle? Hmm,


Mallory Gordon  21:26

that’s a tough one. I think it if I really had to dig deep and say, you know, something that scares me would be inadvertently doing something that offends or hurt you in some way. And I think that may stem like maybe through communication or through being overly excited when I have a new experience. For example. If we get into like, bought if I get into a bondage, BDSM situation. I know that’s not your thing. You play with me and in a way that surrounds those things. But I know it’s not something you are personally into. So bringing that home and being I don’t know, like, I feel that I’m scared that if I get too deep into it sometimes that it may bring on feelings of inadequacy. And I never want you to feel that way. You’ve never given me a reason to feel that way. It’s totally something that plays in the back of my head. I don’t have anything that point Hatton behavior, communication history, but it’s something I it operates in the background. It’s yours. Great.


Mickey Gordon  22:41

I don’t think it’s weird at all. I mean, I think it’s crazy that you think that somehow you’re going to do harm to me, and I love you for carrying that much. But I definitely don’t think it’s something that is founded. I mean, we’ve talked about fears and past episodes of casual swinger, we’ve talked about fear being an acronym. Yep. stands for fear, or false evidence appearing real. Thank you. Sorry, doesn’t stand for fear stands for false evidence appearing real.


Mallory Gordon  23:05



Mickey Gordon  23:06

yes, literal definition. But you know, when you talk about, you know, maybe getting too deep into something, I think, my fear for the quid pro quo that I know, you’re probably going to ask me for anyone who is is very similar in the respect that I’m always afraid, I’m going to miss some cue, like a nonverbal or a communication where you tell me you need something from me, or you need to get out of a situation or you’re not comfortable, you’re not happy. And even though we have code words, and a plan, and a process, that somehow maybe I’m going to be wrapped in a conversation, or maybe something better than a conversation, and I’m not going to be there to help you, or help you overcome whatever it is you’re having a problem with. In that moment. My biggest fear as a husband is always not being there for you and our kids. So if that’s probably just an offshoot of that fear that I’m going to not be there for you when you need me.


Mallory Gordon  23:58

That is, that is really strange, because it kind of like dances around that same like, you know, that desperate need to protect the people we love the most. So it kind of dances around that a little bit.


Mickey Gordon  24:08

Sure. And you know, I mean, we could talk about that and being, you know, macho way and using machismo, I’m talking, I’m not talking about going and kicking some guys, as I’m talking about, maybe she just needs to feel comfort. Maybe she needs to feel connected to me, maybe she needs to know that I’m thinking about her while I’m doing something else. Those are the cues I’m talking about. And they’re easy cues to miss. Those are cues. You don’t have a code word for that may be I know you’re busy, and you’re having a great time with that girl over there. But do you remember that I’m here to and that’s the kind of thing that I’m always afraid that I’m gonna miss. And those are easy things to mess up and they build up over time and can create real messes in lifestyle relationships.


Mallory Gordon  24:45

Yeah, I think at this point in the game, I appreciate that you worry about those things, but I think we’ve gotten really good at the nonverbal communication. When I need that level of intimacy or reassurance in a physical way. I make sure I extend the hand first. Instead of trying to channel it through, like ESP and land, like stick it into your brain, because extra doesn’t actually Yeah, there you go, because that doesn’t actually work. No, it doesn’t. So


Mickey Gordon  25:11

those being our fears, you know, guys, how do we get past those fears as Mickey and Mallory, we talk about them. We talk about what scares us and what we’re afraid could go wrong. You know, I mean, the whole bondage thing I can tell you, this girl likes to be tied up and have her butt whipped, but I just don’t get off on it. And she knows it. So even when I try, it’s not the same. So when somebody Yeah, but when somebody comes along, that’s really into it, I can see the difference. I can see how much fun you’re having. Because you know, you can really cut loose in that in that situation, and it doesn’t hurt my feelings at all.


Mallory Gordon  25:43

I know it doesn’t you were you were literally my biggest supporter when it comes to those things. And there’s a leveraging point when you talk about like the equal transference and a situation like that when you have someone who has the same ideals as far as what success looks like in a situation like that. And I’m yeah, and it feels very one sided, and I feel like I’m taking it all instead of giving equally back to you.


Mickey Gordon  26:08

Oh, you take it all. I mean, if I had a second fear would be that you didn’t trim your nails before a prostate massage, but whatever.


Mallory Gordon  26:13

Oh, no, I’m totally rocking lesbian nails.


Mickey Gordon  26:16

What are lesbian nails do tell us?


Mallory Gordon  26:18

Oh, you keep them short in me, because you don’t want to be up in there hurting anyone? Right? Not


Mickey Gordon  26:22

like you’re stuck in a chicken.


Mallory Gordon  26:24



Mickey Gordon  26:24

Okay, let’s just check it. No. So let’s talk, since we kind of kind of touched on it a little bit of what could happen if we really don’t manage some of these spears and feelings that we have. Whoo. Yeah. What comes? What’s the first thing that comes out of fear? If you don’t manage it?


Mallory Gordon  26:40

anger? and


Mickey Gordon  26:42

jealousy? You got it? That’s right. The Green Monster the big ugly monster jello. Yeah. People sometimes think, Oh, my God, you swingers, you never get jealous. It’d be so nice to be like you. They think we never get jealous. How fucking cute is that?


Mallory Gordon  26:55

That’s adorable.


Mickey Gordon  26:56

I think it’s your cute that they think that never happened. Yeah.


Mallory Gordon  26:58

So in my humble opinion, in my experience, I’ve experienced jealousy, I still do from time to time, like yesterday. happens, it happens. But I’ve identified that a lot of times that comes from my own and insecurities and stuff that maybe operate in the background, maybe I’m just overwhelmed. There’s stuff going on with the kids and work and all these other things. So I haven’t had time to self soothe, or give myself my daily affirmations. And that digs away at my self confidence, even though it’s not operating, you know, right in front of my face, I can see the impacts of it. And when we’re in a situation like that, and I can feel it rise, you know, I have to take a step back and go, okay, what’s really going on here? Am I actually upset about what I’m upset about? Or is there something else going on


Mickey Gordon  27:49

something else? Let your views and then you just blew? Exactly? So you know, sometimes we don’t know it’s there. Right? And I know very much dislike the word triggered. Because I think that it’s been overused and used to make man is that


Mallory Gordon  28:01

what would you call it instead of a trigger? Well,


Mickey Gordon  28:05

I mean, I guess it’s all the same thing at the point, whatever lights your fuse tipping point that the line, right, everybody’s got a line. But so we know where sometimes we know what it is. And sometimes we don’t, right? Sometimes you meet a couple and everything’s going awesome. And it’s just the best thing ever. And then something happens. I mean, I have been in a room with a couple where it was everything was amazing. Until, you know, the girl leaned up and kissed me. And it created a problem for them. They were the he freaked out. And I was like, whoa, wait a minute, what’s the problem? I mean, she literally just had my deck in her mouth. And I mean, now, I mean, granted, Kay, now she’s kissing me. So that was a little weird for me to admit. But you know, I was cool with it. In the moment, and he very much Wasn’t he got up and just left. He just walked he freaked out and walked away. And he didn’t think it was going to be a problem for him. But he’d never seen her do it before. And so you don’t necessarily know what the trigger is going to be. The question is, what are some of these common triggers? And how do you deal with them when they’ve just pop up? Or at once or over time? Do you have any thoughts on that?


Mallory Gordon  29:12

I do. I think a quote unquote trigger could be especially when you’re early on and the environment of the lifestyle is, you know, getting off of somebody else. That’s not your partner.


Mickey Gordon  29:23

That’s that’s one that nobody sees coming. Get it?


Mallory Gordon  29:25

Uh huh. I see what you did there. And it could have it could have been discussed. It could have been, you know, express permission, implied permission. And until it happens, you really don’t know how you’re going to feel about it until it does.


Mickey Gordon  29:37

Do you think it’s more common for the girls to get upset when the guy comes in as a surprise orgasm, or do you think it’s more common for the guy to get upset when his wife comes in? It’s in a way that he can’t make her do like orally or with fingers.


Mallory Gordon  29:51

I can’t pick aside on that one. I think it’s equal across the board. Right? I


Mickey Gordon  29:55

think it is too.


Mallory Gordon  29:55

I think it’s it’s a totally different perspective. And I think It feeds into that fear or jealousy of, you know, maybe feeling inadequate, especially as you’re getting started. You know, if, what if they are better?


Mickey Gordon  30:09

You know, I tell the kids all the time, anything that happens fast is usually bad. Lightning strikes, shark attacks. I mean, that’s where the car crashes, and maybe spontaneous orgasm. If nobody saw it coming. Maybe that’s kind of a problem to you. I don’t know. I mean, I personally love it when you get off especially because you can do it 30 freakin times. Yes. But, you know, Would it surprise you if you know we were playing with somebody and all sudden I came


Mallory Gordon  30:35

out you got off? Yes,


Mickey Gordon  30:36

it was very much because I don’t do it. Correct. But would it make you mad?


Mallory Gordon  30:42

No, no, definitely not mad. Interesting. No, you’re not mad. I would be in awe.


Mickey Gordon  30:47

Yeah, right. Like, what the hell did you do?


Mallory Gordon  30:49

Yeah, yeah, I’d want to go all Grey’s Anatomy was on that person figure out exactly what they did. What was your process? Yeah. How did you prepare? Let’s break this down.


Mickey Gordon  30:59

So it’s a by the way, guys, that question I just asked Mallory that was out of the blue. We don’t script this shit. We sit down for casual swinger. So that was a raw reaction from her. And I love that about her. She’s like, No, I have to think about that for a second. But no,


Mallory Gordon  31:10

yeah, no, definitely not mad. But I would be in awe and have to interview. So just


Mickey Gordon  31:16

in in a group environment. Do you break up the party? How do you deal with it? I mean, you jump up and chase your partner.


Mallory Gordon  31:21

So it’s a struggle, because I’ve been in these shoes, and even professionally, I’m in the issue. Sometimes it’s never a good idea to react in that moment, taking the time taking a breath, counting to 10. And asking yourself the question that you want to pose before you actually say it is very helpful, because a lot of times your first reaction is not the I don’t want to say right one, because your point may be in line with how you feel. But it could be an over exaggeration of the emotions you’re experiencing. Yeah, you know, I agree. And no one wants to be that person. You know, have I felt like I wanted to jump up and scream and run of the room like my hair’s on fire curse and everyone’s name. Absolutely. But that’s not wasn’t true to what I was feeling. It was so new. I just didn’t know what it was


Mickey Gordon  32:12

sure. But at the same time, it’s totally okay to stand up and say, Hey, I’m not comfortable right now. Can we like hit the brakes? Yeah, and that is perfectly okay. Whether you’re on the side of Hey, I’m feeling something that I’m not comfortable with. Yeah, or the other side feels the same way. It’s important to not go faster than the slowest person is comfortable with


Mallory Gordon  32:32

seven a fangirl for a second I listened to I’m swinging down on this podcast was sex interrupted. And they were talking about MFM play separately, right? So, um, something they do, or they talked about doing was taking five minutes and just going, I’m going to take myself out of the situation for a few and let your partner know that you’re going to extricate yourself and go out, go outside, go for a walk. But come back in five minutes, and see how you feel. Right. And that works twofold. I think in the content context they were speaking to it was that, you know, you go from a foursome situation to a threesome situation to kind of like start dipping your toes in the water, seeing how you feel, being separated from your partner and that sexual environment. But I could also give you a moment to pull your thoughts and feelings together before you go back to a group setting. You know, you and I come from the same class of people or same school of thought I really should say that, you know, making a scene with air quotes over here is never something we ever want to do. No, never wait at the same time to see an advocate is is big with us.


Mickey Gordon  33:39

Yeah, I listened. I love the episode. But I do think there’s a slight bit of danger in extricating if you’re already uncomfortable. And you take yourself out of a situation, whether it’s jealousy or fear, or I mean, maybe as a guy, one of the things we’re afraid of is not be able to get it up. Right. That’s something that we always are afraid that he’s just gonna quit. Okay, yeah. So I mean, that’s just every guy. If you say you’re not afraid of it, you’re just a fucking liar. But at least in my opinion, but so you extricate yourself in that situation? You walk away. And then you when you left? What was making you uncomfortable? Is your wife was giving a blowjob? Or maybe she was getting oral. And she was really, I mean, whatever it was that triggered you that set you into that situation into the mat, that mind frame you come back five minutes later, or 15 minutes later, and now she’s facedown as in some guys buried in her and she’s howling at the moon calling her creator. Are you going to be more comfortable with that or less? Because you missed that lead up to it? You don’t know what’s going on with it? So if you know, I think just saying hey, can we can we hit the brakes for a second? I just need to take a breath. And make sure you know, I’m cool. I know you and I would be no problem.


Mallory Gordon  34:48

Oh, absolutely. And I’m also you know when to just jump up and go oh, random dance party. Like Ah, yeah, I was about to lick your butthole and all right. Random dance party,


Mickey Gordon  35:00

right? Well, there’s what Nikki’s afraid of folks is random dance party because I can’t dance. Well, not well,


Mallory Gordon  35:07

I was gonna say everyone can dance.


Mickey Gordon  35:11

I look kind of like Elaine is having a seizure.


Mallory Gordon  35:14

I do like the little like Cabbage Patch thing that you do, but your face is the best. You curl the one lip and stick the bottom one out. Adorable. So we talked a bunch about jealousy there. And it’s a super big fear. I


Mickey Gordon  35:26

think that one of the biggest ones we see is what do I do? How do I how do I become comfortable with this? It takes time. Takes it takes understanding takes communication, but how about ghosting?


Mallory Gordon  35:38

That’s a big one and the lifestyle.


Mickey Gordon  35:41

Right. ghosted boo boo hiss


Mallory Gordon  35:45

Yeah. So it happens. It happens to everyone. I think we get this question asked of us or posed to us, you know, how do you deal How do you cope? We’ve just kind of accepted that. It’s a factor, right? It’s one of those pay to play sort of scenarios. Yeah, there’s some people out there, you know, that either don’t want to say no, or maybe they double booked or maybe they’re just shits, you know?


Mickey Gordon  36:11

Yeah, maybe somebody’s cheating on their wife. Maybe?


Mallory Gordon  36:14

Oh, yeah, we’ve definitely seen that.


Mickey Gordon  36:16

You called that one guy out, like a so you’re married? Oh, yeah.


Mallory Gordon  36:20

He talked about ghosted, like he’s gone.


Mickey Gordon  36:23

Yeah. Yeah. Crickets.


Mallory Gordon  36:25

Bye, bye. I can’t see you. But I know you’re, you’re very pleased with yourself.


Mickey Gordon  36:37

That’s okay, though. But you know, I don’t think that it’s just shitty etiquette. And why be afraid of ghosting because you know, you make this time and the fear is actually how hard it is, as parents of children and hard workers all week, and you finally got that Saturday night, and you make the time you make the appointment? And then crickets. Right, right. And it’s like, wait a minute. What the hell What? Where does this coming from? And I think most of it is people who just don’t know how to say no, or maybe they try to hedge their bets. And they make three dates. You can only pick one and they have to goes two of them. I think it’s all just wrong. Honestly,


Mallory Gordon  37:17

I do. But at the end of the day, just the wind really matter. Because again, if you’re meeting people online, or trying to set up dates, or you know, maybe you met somebody at a party and you’re, you know, making a plan to go have dinner or hosts at your house, you stand a chance of getting ghosted, unfortunately. And the whys a little irrelevant. Yeah, I would encourage you not to get down or to try to have this like hard contractual, you know, conversation with somebody because we’ve had that too. Like we only want, you know, to book this date, if 100% sure you’re going to show up and you know, there’s a good chance we’re gonna have sex. For me, that’s a big turnoff.


Mickey Gordon  37:58

I think the bigger turnoff for me is when they say, you know, okay, we’re assuming you’re going to show up. But we need to know you guys are ready to have sex because our time is valuable. Well, thank you. That means that you think my time isn’t? Yeah. And that I would waste it. But I’m also not going to come they’re just going yet. Absolutely, sir. I’m going to guarantee you my wife’s gonna fuck you tonight? No, I can’t guarantee you that. I wouldn’t guarantee you that because it’s not my place to do so. She makes the decisions what she does with her body, not me.


Mallory Gordon  38:24



Mickey Gordon  38:24

So you know, but I do think from a ghosting perspective, the biggest reason that ghosting happens is because people don’t know how to say no. And that is the last fear on our list here today is how to say no, can I say no, I when


Mallory Gordon  38:40

we’re not just talking about consent, we’re talking about, you know, setting up dates we’re talking about, like if you’re already involved in sexy fun playtime and feeling obligated to say yes to something maybe you wouldn’t normally do in your like sexual world or art is interested in me, but maybe you don’t like but play. But you feel compelled to say yes, because you don’t want to, quote unquote, dampen the mood or ruin the Juju. So you try. Yeah, but it’s totally okay not to do those things. You don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do. That’s the beauty of this. I


Mickey Gordon  39:16

don’t have to let you put your thumb on my butt.


Mallory Gordon  39:18

You like it? I don’t even


Mickey Gordon  39:21

know. You’re the reason I have lesbian. She’s right, guys. You don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do but you know. So what we’re really talking about here, though, is how to say no, if you know a couple is is interested in you, and you’ve talked to them, and it doesn’t matter whether it’s the first conversation or the 30th conversation. If sex is off the table for you. It’s okay. Yeah. And so what we want to talk about for a minute is some of the ways you can say, I like hanging out with you. I want to hang out with you. But I don’t think I want this to be a physical relationship. So what are some of the ways that we have overcome this in our time Because it’s not easy, because if you actually like hanging out with them, and you see them on the regular, you don’t want to piss them off. You don’t want to feel bad about themselves. Sure, right? Not everybody’s everybody’s cupcake.


Mallory Gordon  40:11

Sure, but you’re not solely responsible for how that person reacts to it either. So what do you do? If it’s asked outright? How do you respond to someone when they say, hey, really enjoying the time, let’s have Sexy, sexy fun,


Mickey Gordon  40:24

you know, we’ve we’ve definitely had that situation. And I think the most straightforward if they’re straightforward and say, we would like to have sex. I, we really appreciate that very much. Thank you very much. You know, we reserve that part of our lives for some very special couples, you know, we try to keep it minimal. We’re casual swingers, that’s really the nicest part about having her name is work very casual, which means that we only do it very selectively. And we’ve actually got a couple we’re talking to you right now. But thank you. Yeah. And just but thank you not, hey, if something happens, we don’t leave anything on the table. Thank you very much. But no,


Mallory Gordon  41:00

yeah. Well, and I have a confession to make in the moment, you are way better at it than I am. Because I am a little bit of an empath, that I really do want to protect people’s feelings. And I can say no, but I say it in a very strange way. Like, Oh, no, we have to poop. No, we’re leaving you literally.


Mickey Gordon  41:18

You’re like, sorry, he’s got the shits. with you right now. I’m like what I do? Does mom know? But yeah, so you know, you can phrase it is, Hey, you know, we’re very selective and, and we’ve got a couple that we actually play with right now you can make it sound like you’re Captain monogamous. Or you can just say, Hey, you know what, we really appreciate the offer. But, you know, we’re not interested at this time. And I know that sounds harsh. It does sound harsh. Just hearing it, it probably gonna sound harsh if somebody says it to you. But wouldn’t you rather them say that then be led on and go on a bunch of extra dates and, and maybe have a really awkward situation come up, like, you think it’s okay, and you make a physical pass? Because you think you have consent? And you don’t?


Mallory Gordon  42:03

Right? And I think I think it’s at a minimum, it’s respecting each other’s time, right? Because you’re pursuing this relationship with this, you know, being out in limbo as a, as a possibility. Sure. And it’s, you know, in a lot of ways, it’s better just to get it out in the air and take it off the table. So you can either continue to have, you know, a non sexual friendship or relationship. You know, maybe you’re still going to the same parties, and in the same circles, as far as the lifestyle goes, or vanilla, for that matter.


Mickey Gordon  42:32

Yeah. And you know, we have a lot of really good lifestyle friends that are really active and busy and meet lots of people and have great sex with lots of people. I love them for it. I’m so happy for them. I think it’s amazing. It’s wonderful. But it’s not our bag. It’s not something we do I just


Mallory Gordon  42:46

don’t have the bandwidth for it. Like,


Mickey Gordon  42:49

yeah, it’s just not. So it’s easier for us to say, No, thank you, because it’s not us. Obviously, not us. But at the same time, what if you’re out you are one of those couples that is, you know, everybody and they’re like, Yeah, I saw you with that couple last weekend. Another couple weekend for that. I think we could be your jam. It’s still the same answer, guys. It doesn’t matter whether you’re busy, or whether you’re a casual swinger. It’s Hey, thank you very much for the interest. We love hanging out with you. But we’re not feeling it. Yeah, it’s okay to say no, never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. One more ever say yes. If you’re feeling No. Yes, it could blow up on you just talked about at the beginning of this segment. It could come up in a way that you didn’t expect that it seems like jealousy, when in fact, you just don’t want to fucking be there. And that is just awful. That is how people feel like you wasted their time. Because why are you here if you didn’t want to be right, and that’s actually no fun either. Especially when people are like, I need a verbal contract. That’s one of Mallory’s pet peeves


Mallory Gordon  43:47

and as that’ll that’ll that’ll shut pussy hat down faster than anything.


Mickey Gordon  43:52

pussy out delivers in 30 minutes or less folks


Mallory Gordon  43:54

x I was just talking about posing earlier today.


Mickey Gordon  43:58

I’m over here cracking up Yeah, she was she’s like pussy huts not delivering this weekend. That’s fantastic. So folks, that’s just kind of some of the things that we hear about fear, jealousy, saying no. And of course


Mallory Gordon  44:16

having said poop when you’re on a date. Oh, god


Mickey Gordon  44:20

that totally happened to us right on our first dates right I was like oh my god, I took you by Lowe’s. Yeah, yeah, we didn’t go by Lowe’s because I needed a new level.


Mallory Gordon  44:32

Boys calling I’m so excited.


Mickey Gordon  44:35

That’s pretty fantastic. Okay, I can’t make this shit up. Okay, well she’s gonna answer that call and we’re gonna go to break here folks right up she tells you how to find his work and come back with one of our favorite segments we call Florida man.


Mallory Gordon  44:47

All right, I gotta make this quick because I’m making a date provided. You guys were casual swinger everywhere. That is Twitter, Instagram, YouTube. You can find us as casual swinger on SLS SDC Cassidy COVID. And double date nation. Check out our website. Casual swinger Comm. One hour write us a note podcast that casual swinger and if you love us, please drop us an iTunes review.


Mickey Gordon  45:12

Alright, we’re gonna be back right after this with some Florida man. You’re listening to the Halloween spooktacular in casual swinger.


Mallory Gordon  45:32

Hey guys, we’re back casual swinger here and you’ve got Mallory.


Mickey Gordon  45:36

Oh and me, Mickey. Oh, Mickey.


Mallory Gordon  45:39

You’re so fine. You’re so fun. You blow my mind. Hey, Mickey. What are we talking about now?


Mickey Gordon  45:45

Oh, my God, you were so full.


Mallory Gordon  45:46

I am. I had three cups of coffee. And I’m making a date for Friday.


Mickey Gordon  45:50

Oh, you are? Oh, and we were recording some chapters for swingers. A little help. tonight. I’m glad you’re all jacked up. But hey, what are we talking about? We’re talking about one of our favorite little segments that we’ve hardly done any of. But this is called Florida man.


Mallory Gordon  46:03

I love Florida man, Florida man. I’m a little embarrassed by Florida man.


Mickey Gordon  46:07

But you’re a native. I moved here. I don’t know what’s worse.


Mallory Gordon  46:11

I am again. We play this game like not my city. Not my county. Not my city, not my county. Right. Every time you see a Florida man headline.


Mickey Gordon  46:19

I love it. One of my friends in Sarasota posted the one of the chick that fell out of the ceiling. So it wasn’t Florida man.


Mallory Gordon  46:27

Up there for six hours after shoplifting. She


Mickey Gordon  46:29

shoplifted and hitting the ceiling for six hours and fell out of the ceiling and was arrested at 130 in the morning. Yeah, they went to high school together. Yep. She’s like, Oh, well, there’s mine. Oh, it happens all the time. It’s inevitable that sooner or later, you’re gonna have a claim to fame that makes national news mine was I delivered pizza to john bobbitt and his wife Marina before she cut his cock off. And she cut his cock off and threw it out the window and it landed under the slide and board at my girlfriend’s daycare. So that happened when I was younger living in Virginia. So


Mallory Gordon  46:56

I’m go well, where I grew up, we had this twofer roll if you didn’t, if you didn’t graduate high school, you’re gonna end up with to have one of these either felony or children before 20. Nice. It was really important to graduate.


Mickey Gordon  47:08

So you had the kid.


Mallory Gordon  47:11

I had him at 20. So I feel like I escaped that. Like I just skirted it. There you go. So our first Florida man is actually a couple. And this just happened a couple of weeks ago.


Mickey Gordon  47:22

I know on a Miami shirt shit. So what happened? The headline reads Florida a couple had sex in the back of a police car after DUI arrest. Cops say. So this couple got arrested for DUI. Yeah. And they put them both in the back of the same car.


Mallory Gordon  47:38

Yes. So not uncommon, not uncommon. They got pulled over because they were riding their bicycles who did not have and they didn’t have like the flashers or the lights on them. And they were running down in a main thoroughfare in Tampa. So they get pulled over by the cops, obviously drunk. So All right, you guys are you know, you guys are done. Put them back in the cop car. It doesn’t really say what happened between the time they were arrested and put in the back of the cop car and when they got fucking naked. Or he got naked. She has her pants down. He


Mickey Gordon  48:09

got totally naked. But here’s the thing. If you look at this photo at it, if you look at this photo, and this is going to be in the show notes, but it seems like they had the shit beat out of


Mallory Gordon  48:17

she looks like she got an A cockfight. And I don’t mean with penises. Like someone threw her in a fucking chicken coop and they like the birds had their way with her face. Well, he looks like he got off before


Mickey Gordon  48:30

Oh, yeah, I think he was satisfied. But yeah, and here’s the quote while I was outside of my patrol vehicle, make it an errand took their clothes off and started to have sex the deputy road when I opened up the door to stop them Aaron was naked and Megan had her pants down. Well no shit they were having sex. I’m surprised


Mallory Gordon  48:46

what’s great is this naked dude Aaron takes fucking off running ass naked. They can catch him and a Cold Stone Creamery. Oh, yeah.


Mickey Gordon  48:55

So he was he went from the Creamery to the Creamery.


Mallory Gordon  48:58

Yeah, pretty much.


Mickey Gordon  49:01

Well, and here’s the best part. So he’s they said in the article while being removed from the vehicle, he somehow managed to escape the grasp of the deputy. He was probably slicker than snot on a doorknob. He was covered in sweat. It’s the middle of September in Miami, and he’s fucking in a closed car. Probably smelled awful. But you know, so Florida man, not to be outdone. And this is very recent. This is just came out today in Newsweek. Yeah. Florida man arrested for allegedly breaking into a house and trying on baby clothes while holding a woman hostage and masturbating.


Mallory Gordon  49:34

Oh, yeah, this guy is broken, twisted, sick individual breaks in this woman’s home invalid night. Hold her hostage makes her watch pornography on his phone while he jerks off and feel like you got it backwards.


Mickey Gordon  49:49

No watching the


Mallory Gordon  49:51

dude seriously. And then he goes into her room grabs bra and underwear and puts them on and walks around the house in them and he also tried on her kids her baby’s clothes are really struggling with this one. I


Mickey Gordon  50:04

mean, is this guy a little person? I mean, does he try baby clothes? So I


Mallory Gordon  50:08

looked at his pants? No, he’s a normal size human.


Mickey Gordon  50:11

I’m just done but this is also now she’s


Mallory Gordon  50:15

fine. Like he ended up he ended up leaving aside you know from obviously emotional mental trauma. He didn’t actually physically harm her. Thank God.


Mickey Gordon  50:28

No. And you know, this all started at like six o’clock in the morning. It was a three hour deal this poor woman completely. I mean, just she’s not okay, and she probably never will be sad for that for a fiver but what the fuck is wrong with this guy that he’s got to go in and jerk off and wear women’s clothes and baby’s clothes and what the fuck sir? I’m a Florida man.


Mallory Gordon  50:48

I don’t it’s the heat the humidity. sinkholes. I really don’t know.


Mickey Gordon  50:55

Well, so here’s a funny so living in Florida, you know with Florida man. Yeah, you know, we had a lot of old people and old people like driving a golf cart.


Mallory Gordon  51:04

Oh, there’s communities that are built around being able to drive a golf cart anywhere you want in mountain Dora for example, you


Mickey Gordon  51:09

can drive your golf cart anywhere you want to a bar, get your drink and leave with your dream. Yeah,


Mallory Gordon  51:14

the villages same thing villages is literally a golf cart community you can


Mickey Gordon  51:17

get a DUI in a golf cart. But this particular driver a 56 year old man and gibsonton Florida took his golf cart on a ride through a Walmart terrorizing shoppers ignoring deputies because he wanted to speak to the manager.


Mallory Gordon  51:31

Yes, so a few things here. You guys do your reach a search on gibsonton gibsonton is the hub of where all the carnival and circus folk would stay in the offseason so gibsonton as a whole is very interesting. They I wouldn’t say that they are a good What do you call it when you want to take an example if you’re doing a brief gene pool?


Mickey Gordon  51:55

No, no, the home of blue eyes and summer teeth


Mallory Gordon  51:59

Yeah, one blue outweigh one blue


Mickey Gordon  52:00

this way and some teeth today or something?


Mallory Gordon  52:02

Oh geez. So anyways, I digress. So gibsonton is interesting. Anyways, but this guy is literally like evading making evasive maneuvers as he’s going in it. We’ve been in the aisles he’s knocking customers over in his golf cart. And he finally runs into a cashiers stand which thank god there’s never any Walmart. So it was abandoned. So yeah, Walmart employees were hurt.


Mickey Gordon  52:26

You gotta wonder when this guy’s fucks left the building because that was a really nice golf cart. By the way that was lifted jobs with the nice paint job. I mean, we’re talking about like hydraulics, golf $8,000 golf cart, and he went hauling ass through a Walmart.


Mallory Gordon  52:42

You imagine with his bullhorn I won’t speak to your manager.


Mickey Gordon  52:45

Right. And you know, not to be outdone our last Florida man of the day,


Mallory Gordon  52:51

so many Florida men.


Mickey Gordon  52:53

Last Florida man of the day, Florida man faces obscenity charges for I eat ass window sticker.


Mallory Gordon  52:59

I think that’s a public service. Right?


Mickey Gordon  53:03

That’s an advertisement. That’s a billboard. Hello, like, hey, ladies, I eat ass. Yeah, let’s do this big guy. So the deputy asked to sit gentlemen. Right. Come on. All right. Yeah, that’s true. All right. See, sometimes I have to be putting my place. But the deputy asked the sub subject. How can a parent of a small child explain the meaning of these words? and Dylan Shane Webb, this Florida man said, well, that’d be up to the parent. So this guy is facing obscenity charges for having a sticker that says I he is on his pickup truck.


Mallory Gordon  53:37

So interesting. Florida does have laws and regulations around obscenity.


Mickey Gordon  53:43

Mm hmm. They sure do. Interestingly enough, it’s kind of in the eye of the officer as to what they find obscene. So in the state of Florida, their discretion Yep. obscenity is defined as material that an average person using contemporary community standards would find as a whole appeals to the period interest. So period means sexual. So in other words, if a average person using contemporary community standards, I think that it’s sexual.


Mallory Gordon  54:12

I thought parents were like the Quakers.


Mickey Gordon  54:14

No, that’s pure This is PR you. Oh, right. So but yeah, so it if if an average person thinks it’s sexual, it can be deemed obscene if it depicts or describes sexual conduct in a way that is patently offensive will fuck everybody’s offended in this country. Now you can offend anybody ever I could kill a cricket and people will freak out. And then taken as a whole doesn’t have any serious scientific, artistic, political or literary value. This is where I think he can win this case, because taken as a whole, he doesn’t have any serious scientific, artistic, political or literary value. He totally does. I feel that’s artistic when I eat ass. I feel artistic about it. I definitely feel it’s if you’re passionate about it. Yeah. And I think all of our politicians eat so I think this is perfect for him. But what happened to this poor guy? Is he Actually the the police officer told him to take an S off to teach actually defame Yeah, that sticker.


Mallory Gordon  55:07

Yeah, that’s what actually got him arrested, isn’t it? It is.


Mickey Gordon  55:10

So he was going to charge him within obscenity anyway. And he gave him a ticket for it. But he told him he wouldn’t take him to jail if he pulled one of the letters off the sticker, so it didn’t read ass anymore. He declined saying that that’s a violation of his first amendment rights. And Mr. Webb is right. He has a right to speak his mind any way he sees fit. And this police officer charged him with resisting and took him to jail and impounded his VA. Yeah, yeah. So this guy had a huge, huge bad day and the ACLU in Florida is now involved. Yeah, cuz this police officer overstepped their bounds by quite a lot. This Florida man, well just eats ass right drive through a Walmart. He didn’t try and be literal jack, right?


Mallory Gordon  55:54

And he wasn’t like driving, you know, dangerously or anything. He got pulled over for that sticker. So maybe this guy was having a bad day? Or maybe he is easily offended by eating ass. Who knows? Maybe he walked in on his dad in the neighbor. And they were eating us. Like, maybe he was eating his dad’s knows what motivates him. But at the same time, it does make you wonder, like, obviously, the cop did not see any humor in this. And that’s okay. We’re not we’re not supposed to all agree. But just like the article you wrote in DSM, like, Is it really fair to take one person’s discretion? and use that as law or the foundation? As far as what’s in this case? volger Oh,


Mickey Gordon  56:35

that’s the problem. Right? That’s the problem with enforcement, you’re enforcing a law that is left up to really the interpretation of the person that’s making the arrest. Now, of course, it’s up to the court system to enforce that law. And it’s up to the judge to interpret the application of that law. So this guy I mean, he’s, I mean, they may decide to drop it My guess would be the DA is not going to pursue this and it’s just going to fuck this guy’s weak up. But you can tell from his mug shot he knows he’s gotten this guy over a barrel. shitty bourbon on his face Super


Mallory Gordon  57:06

Game, and he should be He’s like, I’m seriously standing here in a jumpsuit because I eat. That’s right. I


Mickey Gordon  57:11

mean, I would like to make this a meme that I eat ass and that’s just like, because that guy right there is happily and as eater.


Mallory Gordon  57:19

Stop persecuting the ass liquors everyone right. That’s right.


Mickey Gordon  57:22

You know what, just like a nine volt battery You know, you’re not supposed to put your tongue on it, but at some point, you’re going to do it anyway. He


Mallory Gordon  57:28

tongue punch in that fart box.


Mickey Gordon  57:30

Oh, there’s a shout out to rave I’ve ever heard one.


Mallory Gordon  57:32

I just listened to their last episode.


Mickey Gordon  57:36

That’s fantastic. Folks. This has been Florida man. You’ve heard a little story about a couple that got it on in the back of a cop car and hauled ass to a Cold Stone Creamery. You heard about a guy that jerked off in baby clothes. What a creeper. And you heard about a guy that eats ass and then you heard about an old man driving around a Walmart in a golf cart. So that’s that’s kind of what’s been up and that’s just from the last month guys.


Mallory Gordon  57:59

I was gonna say they’re all caught up now.


Mickey Gordon  58:01

Yeah, that’s the last month they learned not hang on to these


Mallory Gordon  58:05

no Florida man just keeps giving.


Mickey Gordon  58:07

The Florida man is a giver and he eats as Ladies and gentlemen, that was Florida man Mallory. You want to remind everybody all the cool stuff we do and about our new york code for ASN mag and we’ll let these folks get on with their Halloween because yes


Mallory Gordon  58:21

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Mickey Gordon  59:26

Oh, that was it. Guys. We’re getting out of here. This has been our Halloween spooktacular you guys have a safe and happy Halloween we’ll see in two weeks with our one year anniversary episode. Ladies and gentlemen, you’ve been listening to casual swinger.



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