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It’s CHRISTMAS in Swingerville!

Mickey & Mallory get together to talk about the things we want to see under our SWINGmas tree and maybe in the new year! We play a game where we go back and forth with our personal lists just for you!

When we’re done with the lists, we have a GIFT for our friends out there in our special guest, former adult film star Jeff James! Jeff joins us from California where he teaches seminars, paints, entertains, and is otherwise an active member of the lifestyle around Club FA in Los Angeles. Jeff shares some of his favorite tips on how YOU can *fuck like a porn star!.*

Finally, it’s Christmas so naturally, we get into Mallory’s TOYBOX! She covers another of her favorite toys, the Crave necklace, a real crowd pleaser! Learn more about this fashion accessory that doubles as a vibrator. Or…is that the other way around?

Segment 1

“Christmas in Swingerville!” Mallory and Mickey exchange their desires for Christmas and the new year as relates to the lifestyle.  – 05:55

Segment 2

“I want a PORN star for XXXmas!” Introducing our friend JEFF JAMES! He’s a former adult film star, an artist, a teacher, and an active member of the lifestyle. He talks about life, his relationships, and how you can “fuck like a porn star!”  20:00

Segment 3

“Mallory’s Toybox” Mallory gets into one of her favorite toys, the CRAVE necklace!  66:53

Links

Crave Adult Toys – Discreet & Sexy
Classy Adult Sexy Gear
Amazon – When all else fails
Jeff the Body Painter IMDB – The Hollywood Database
Club FA – Lifestyle in CA

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SE01E09 – Casual Swinger – I want a PORN star for XXXmas!

Thu, 9/2 9:56AM • 1:13:10

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

porn star, people, swinger, lifestyle, porn, listeners, jeff, parties, mallory, christmas, casual, club, listening, hito, fa, tandem, resort, life, friends, painter

SPEAKERS

Mickey Gordon, Jeff James, Mallory Gordon

 

Mallory Gordon  00:10

Welcome to casual swinger. If you’re under 18, the following podcast is not appropriate for you. The subjects and language are for mature audiences only. If you’re not mature in nature, just make sure you’re old enough to vote. We don’t take ourselves seriously ever. No guarantees given regarding the accuracy of any opinions or statements made on this podcast or website or a blog. It’s all in fun, folks. This isn’t Dr. Phil. Now consider yourself the listener properly advised.

 

Mickey Gordon  00:51

Oh, whoa, whoa, swingers is casual swinger. This is Mickey.

 

Mallory Gordon  00:55

I’m Mallory.

 

Mickey Gordon  00:56

And we’re here with a very very special Christmas episode for you guys today. Whoa, whoa. Oh, I should say that every chance I get because any of the film I use the word in this house. I get y’all that

 

Mallory Gordon  01:09

that’s not necessarily true. Maybe rent my mother. Oh, that’s super sensitive. But yeah, well, slits are a good thing. They’re amazing. Yeah,

 

Mickey Gordon  01:16

I love sleds. Me too. Big fan. So Merry Christmas to everybody out there is listening at this time of year.

 

Mallory Gordon  01:23

Maybe post Hanukkah and happy holidays and Kwanzaa and

 

Mickey Gordon  01:28

festivus big festivals fan this house. Right in the festivus pole. We gotta get the festivus pole ready we’re about feats of strength. We have to feats of strength. We can

 

Mallory Gordon  01:39

do you really want to do feats of strength? Well, I just want to tell everybody how they disappointed me this year. That’s my job you can do.

 

Mickey Gordon  01:47

Alright, disappointment is coming, folks. But hey, it is Christmas time here and casual swinger. So we say Christmas in swinger Ville. Hopefully you guys are getting a kick out of anybody that noticed right? So I’m sure we’ll hear in comments or we’ll hear in reviews or, or maybe on podcasting at casual swinger Comm. We’ll hear from folks who noticed we have new music. Yeah to intro.

 

Mallory Gordon  02:10

I love it. I love this time of year. I mean, you know me when our listeners don’t notice I’m Christmas. Crazy.

 

Mickey Gordon  02:17

Oh, I tell you what, a homer store threw up in my living room sometime after Thanksgiving. It was absolutely ridiculous. I walked in. Were all the goddamn lights come from?

 

Mallory Gordon  02:26

Yeah, yeah. So I’m taking the Christmas music. That was a that was a good pick.

 

Mickey Gordon  02:29

Yeah, you know, so what we did is we went and found some new music for you guys just kind of celebrate the season. Nothing that’s you know, outwardly Christmas, but just Christmas Eve. And also, I feel like it’s got a little bit of a, like a tropical vibe to it too. So yeah,

 

Mallory Gordon  02:43

yeah, it definitely suits our geography.

 

Mickey Gordon  02:45

Yeah, well, of course, we live in Florida and we party in Jamaica. So that’s definitely going on. But Christmas in swinger Ville. That’s what we’re doing here on casual swinger today. This is our Christmas episode going to be released tonight. actually release it at midnight on Tuesday. Yeah,

 

Mallory Gordon  03:01

that’s true. And oh, catena close, man. We’ve been so busy lately. Yeah, well, we can’t believe we waited till Tuesday to record

 

Mickey Gordon  03:10

you know, we keep having these plans that we’re going to record a week ahead of time and I’m gonna be really good about telling everybody on Twitter what we’re going to do and then all hell breaks loose and

 

Mallory Gordon  03:19

well with the with the season. It’s been hard. It’s been hard to do just about anything, including making dates.

 

Mickey Gordon  03:24

What dates Exactly. So we, you know, we talked about Christmas and swinger vote we’re talking about you know, we said okay, it’s it’s this time of year and it’s so much fun. We’re gonna do the sexy Santa parties are the Mrs. Claus parties are going to do the lifestyle clubs. We’re going to go on dates, we’re going to have a really great Christmas swinger season. And we really haven’t done anything.

 

Mallory Gordon  03:48

It three weeks have been so vanilla, it’s been like milk. And I think my inner freak is screaming and trying to claw its way out right now. I can see that. Yeah, let’s say you bought raped me the other day. That’s true.

 

Mickey Gordon  03:59

Get over here. Hey, what up? Let’s do this. So you know, I think it may be we’ll talk about this in the new year, but I think even swingers go through dry spells where you’re like, Oh my god, it’s been so busy. And we’ve got kids and dogs and job and holidays and family and nobody gets horny when their mother in law’s coming to visit. Ask me how I know.

 

04:23

Sorry,

 

Mickey Gordon  04:24

sorry. It’s like Okay, cool. She’s gonna be upstairs. I’m going to go to sleep without a heart on tonight. But I think we had a good time and we’re getting through it right. You know, between again, parties and clubs and dates. We’re going to set up some dates. And we’re going to talk a little bit today. Before we get into the really big present we have for our listeners. We’re going to talk about what’s under your swing Miss tree. I love this. It’s gonna be fun. So you know, everybody’s got things that they want. I mean, we have once, Mallory has one But we wanted to kind of sit back and think about what we wanted for our Christmas as lifestyle years. Like what kind of things and maybe they’re things you want the new year right cuz you’re not going to get everything by Christmas,

 

Mallory Gordon  05:12

although I don’t think anything of mine can be wrapped no now. Well, well depends. How do you mean by rapid? I see what you did there. You’re pretty funny.

 

Mickey Gordon  05:23

All right, I’m a funny guy. But you know it not everything is gonna happen. Now of course when we listen to Mallory’s toybox leader today, there is something you can wrap and put into your tree. And, guys, I highly recommend that you listen to Mallory on this one. This particular toy she’s going to talk about today, we have a great story that goes with it that will cover during toybox that resulted in a bunch of dings happening driving down the road. I think we were heading down to Tampa one day, and we had some friends with us. It’s pretty good, but we’ll talk about that later. But so what’s under your tree? Mallory? Why don’t you start I have five things that are five, five things.

 

06:02

Under my Okay, let’s

 

Mallory Gordon  06:03

do quid pro quo. Okay, quick. You go first, and then I’ll tell you because I want to see what you have to say.

 

Mickey Gordon  06:12

Tell me, she’s putting me on the spot drew me on the spot right here on casual swinger. So, I’m gonna start the same way I start every time so every time Mallory comes to me and says, What do you want for your birthday? What do you want for Christmas? Oh,

 

06:25

that’s my number one. Fantastic. Go ahead. Anyway,

 

Mickey Gordon  06:31

I don’t know if you guys can tell right now, but we did not sync up on this list. And she made a list. And we haven’t seen these lists right now. So this is kind of fun. Well, at least it’s fun for us if you’re not having fun. I’m really fucking sorry for your luck. However, tandem is number one. What is a tandem because I asked her all the time. A tandem is when you have one lovely lady on your balls or on the head and the other one on the shaft. So two ladies working on a blow job at the same time. That is under my tree. God I hope it’s under my tree but it’s definitely on my list. Like I don’t know

 

Mallory Gordon  07:10

if it’s under the tree, but it’s definitely a goal can you get her a sandwich or something? So she’s not dead by Christmas? I did put them on here because you do I 10 years running every birthday every Christmas and I mean, it’s not that you’ve never had a tandem before. But I think I’ve had I’ve never coming off the list. So awesome. He’s got quite a few you’ve had quite a few. But I really want to go above and beyond I think we can outdo just 203 yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, wait, is there enough room for three down there? I think we can make it I think we can make it work.

 

Mickey Gordon  07:50

I’m I’m down for the old Pepsi challenge. I’m gonna get you a super tandem hold. You heard it here folks. She just committed to this 20 minutes. This is happening so super tandem is happening for me. Wait a minute, does that count as quid pro quo? I mean, maybe that shouldn’t count at all on our list.

 

Mallory Gordon  08:13

Okay, fair enough.

 

Mickey Gordon  08:14

Maybe we just both kind of laid it out there so I’ll go again and this is this this one will probably knock her back a tickle But

 

Mallory Gordon  08:21

okay, what is this

 

Mickey Gordon  08:24

a tandem for her? Really a tandem for her is on my Christmas list. So okay, she’s she’s always wanted to be the monkey in the middle. So I think it’s also on my list

 

Mallory Gordon  08:38

it’s um Yeah, yeah, what’s it like to be the center of attention every once in a while right and I don’t mind being put to work

 

Mickey Gordon  08:46

well, I mean it’s I think in my head anyway and I have you know, no, I have no issues whatsoever I’m perfectly comfortable in my masculinity bit in my head where the goalposts we’re on opposite ends of the field I love it everybody stays in their end zone and you know, switch sides halftime

 

Mallory Gordon  09:01

Yes. Can we like like, line out a business plan for this like q1 glow holes of 2019 and q2, like to make sure we’re tackling cuz I’m loving

 

Mickey Gordon  09:13

it this is happening. So yeah, it’s a it’s a tandem for her is on my list. I think that she deserves it. I think then she needs to feel like Queen of the world for a little while. Ah, so I think that’d be a lot of fun. How about you Your turn? Okay, so, I like how I think this is gonna be very similar. So this one’s gonna be a selfish one. Okay. Um, big bold letters. Girl time. You know, you know my history. I’ve always always had a great affection for a woman and it’s been a long time since I’ve had that one on one connection, where I can just, you know, flitter off and have me some girl time and and have it just be fun and just as chicks. So yeah, yeah. Maybe a little girlfriend in the new year. Yeah. You know what? I think that would be fun. You heard it here, folks. Mallory’s on the market for a lady for it. Yeah. You know, it’s funny in our profiles, whether it’s SLS or STC or Cassidy, or any of the places that we are, I, long time ago when we were creating an AF f profile. This is how long ago this was, when many moons ago, 11 years. I said, Maybe I should change her status to vary by cuz you said 11 years ago, you wanted a girlfriend then? Yeah. And I think, you know, some have come and gone, you know, as we’ve moved because we did change locations. That’s true. That’s true. And to have that lasting relationship to where you’re comfortable. You know, I I prefer something, you know, a little little deeper on that side. Because it acts Yeah, genuine friendship because it makes the sex that much better. For me personally, sex is great regardless. Great, but it just gives it that extra like. So I’m nodding because I don’t understand I have a penis. Yeah.

 

11:05

No clue.

 

Mallory Gordon  11:05

Yeah. don’t discount a really good scissoring grinding. Yeah.

 

Mickey Gordon  11:11

I don’t know how scissoring works. I’ve never seen that.

 

Mallory Gordon  11:15

That’s not true. So you are full of shit.

 

Mickey Gordon  11:18

Okay, so I did see it that one time it did end up with me in the corner and I will tell that story some other time. So my turn a this is something I want under my tree. And I think it’s a perfectly legitimate ask. I would like a video under my tree. A video video under my tree.

 

Mallory Gordon  11:38

Huh? So then I think that goes along with mine. A little hot life action. Oh, yeah. Yeah, a little hot wife. thing in a video for now. It’d be awesome. Mickey his travels in a spank tank. Yeah, you are very visual. So and you love dirty talking stories. So I think I have this fantasy of you watching it while I tell you about it. No Good grief. Yeah, you’re gonna narrate it for me. Yeah. Alright, so my list just got longer. Also, something else got longer. Oh, I can see it from here.

 

Mickey Gordon  12:15

I was checking shit out over here. But yes, I think that would be pretty cool. So a video in the new year. And I think so you had a hot wife experience on your list? Yes. So that’s, that’s a little bit of a quid pro quo. Something else I have on my list. Since again, we’re playing this game. And I’m asking the universe for this because this isn’t something Mallory can give me this isn’t something that any one person can give. This is the elusive four way connection was on my Christmas list.

 

Mallory Gordon  12:46

Yes, that’s a good one.

 

Mickey Gordon  12:48

That’s that’s the thing, the good one, you know, in 11 years, I think we’ve had some very good connections. We’ve you know, you know, sadly, you know have drifted apart and you know, moved and things like that. But we’ve had some very good connections, but that four way connection where everybody is not only friends, but also very attracted to each other and enjoying each other and, and really just kind of just, you know, take the guards off and enjoy yourself. It’s a very rare thing to find in the lives. Yeah.

 

Mallory Gordon  13:17

And there’s multiple levels of that. And I know exactly what you’re talking about. And yeah, that’s definitely anybody that’s listening to us right now. knows exactly what we’re talking it’s like a shooting star. Yeah. Catching lightning. Yeah. In a bottle. And it’s amazing. Well drinking and writing a unicycle. But it’s amazing when it happens. Yeah, it really is.

 

Mickey Gordon  13:43

So the four way connection is on our Christmas list is the four way connection on your Christmas list. You have to tell us because we really want to know what’s on your list. And, you know, I’m just going to have her do it because I love it when she does tell folks where they can send us their Christmas lists. We want to know what you’re thinking.

 

Mallory Gordon  14:02

Alright guys, so reach out to us at podcast at casual swinger Comm. You can contact us on our contact form at www casual swinger Comm. And you can also find us as casual swinger on Facebook, Twitter, SLS STC and Cassidy. God, she

 

Mickey Gordon  14:17

does that so well. So, obviously, send us What you got there. And we’re gonna tell you some other reasons here moving forward. Why you want to send us some messages. But I’m gonna ask Mel real quick. Do you have anything else on your list? Maybe something that a dirty Santa could bring you.

 

Mallory Gordon  14:33

Oh, like, that’s rappel or like back on the wish list.

 

Mickey Gordon  14:38

I think you’re either one. It’s It’s, uh, see what else you got out there. I’ve got I’ve got one more out there. But as far as wish list, yeah, got one more, but I want to see if you’ve got anything else. I do. I do. I still want to and we talked about this. I think in a podcast previously, like, I want to hear you and not see you. Oh, with another woman. Like I think that was a masturbatory like conversation we had while you were in the shower, and it sounded like you’re with somebody, just the sound like of the water was making and like splash it against your skin. And it got me off like instantly. And I didn’t know I was into that, you know, that’s funny because it does kind of go hand in hand with the last thing on my wish list, which is just something that I’ve never done. So it would be really fun and interesting, because I don’t know how I would feel honestly. And the whole time we’ve been together, I’ve never played solo. That’s true. Sure, we would be kind of just, it’s not like I have to just be kind of fun and interesting and different. Very cool. I will say, Hey, you know what, we’ve got a lot of things to get through. We’ve got video and hot wave experience. And therefore we can actually take let’s not forget my super tandem. Yeah, super, super, super tandem. So that’s just some of our stuff, guys. We’ve got a lot of stuff out there. Right? Mallory’s got a really good list that I’m now going to have to get to work on. So you know, reach out thing

 

Mallory Gordon  16:01

here, I’m rolling up my sleeves.

 

Mickey Gordon  16:05

But, you know, there are a lot of fun things you can do at Christmas time. And in talking to each other. We talked last time our last episode was called talk to me goose and we talked about communication. Don’t be afraid to communicate with each other and tell each other about your once and your feelings and the things that you’re you’re kind of longing for or after, because that’s the only way you’re ever going to achieve them. So say, Hey, this is what I’m thinking. And maybe just maybe that other person will get kinky and go Yeah, I want to do that too. You can buy toys, right? There’s all kinds of cool toys out there. I think we have Matter of fact, speaking of Mallory, we have a harness set that goes under the mattress. Don’t we have that?

 

Mallory Gordon  16:45

Yeah, I think it’s collecting dust get on it.

 

Mickey Gordon  16:47

Yeah, probably need to strap her ass to the bed and get some work. Let’s

 

Mallory Gordon  16:51

do this. I can’t stop myself to the bed.

 

Mickey Gordon  16:55

Let’s do it. And that’s one of her, you know, secret kinks that she loves to get out there.

 

Mallory Gordon  16:59

There’s no secret about that. Come on. No.

 

Mickey Gordon  17:03

You know, speaking of kinks, we’ve got something special for folks today. Once we do the most common kink in the world. One every porn part. Everybody watches porn. Everybody. I bet the pope watches porn. Like on that side of blasphemy. You better like I’m on my way to excommunicated. Yes. So yeah, we have something very, very special for our listeners. We have Jeff James has a special guest on the podcast today. And this guy is like a renaissance man. We’ve known him for a few years he has been on and porn both in video and print. Yeah. He is an artist. He’s our body painter. Yeah. For some of our trips. And just an all around great dude. He’s a speaker at seminars. Yeah, he’s an everything guy. You know, he really is and the seminar that he does is how to fuck like a porn star. Right? Well, and he does. He does a number of seminars. So when when Mallory called him renaissance man, it’s because there’s not a better word to describe this dude really isn’t right, because he is an educated man. He’s got a degree in art. He’s a painter. Yeah. A legit painter. He also does raps for cars. I mean, he’s he’s he is a Brian’s Yeah, artists. He’s a designer. But he’s also a very educated, well spoken, articulate, friendly, kind, you know,

 

Mallory Gordon  18:29

altruistic, like, stand up good human being like, yeah, you just can’t say enough amazing things about the guy. And every time we talk to him, we learned something new about

 

Mickey Gordon  18:39

or something new period. And we’re going on and on about this dude, and we’re going to talk to him, you guys are going to catch up with him over the next 40 minutes or so. But I want you to know who you’re listening to. This guy has a lot of wonderful things going for him. He’s got a heart as big as the sun. And it was so much fun to sit back and have a conversation with him. for you guys. You’re on casual swinger. So that’s what we’re gonna get into over the next 14 we’re gonna come back afterward with mouse toy box, because Mallory’s toy box has got something awesome in it today for you folks. But you know what we want for Christmas. If you want to give it to Mallory, you can find us give it to me Give it to me. Now he told me they can find us.

 

Mallory Gordon  19:21

Oh, you guys can find us at www cashmere.com. Or send us questions, comments, concerns, or just a funny fucking joke at podcast at casual swinger Comm. You can also find us as casual swinger on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, SLS, Cassidy and SDC.

 

Mickey Gordon  19:38

And don’t forget to leave us a review on iTunes. Ladies and gentlemen, let us introduce to you Jeff James. You’re listening to casual swinger. Buddy, welcome back to casual swinger, and we’ve got a big surprise for you guys today, we have what we consider to be a modern day renaissance man, don’t you think?

 

Mallory Gordon  20:10

Absolutely. Absolutely one of our favorite people,

 

Mickey Gordon  20:12

or one of our favorite people in the whole wide world, and that person is none other than Mr. Jeff James. Jeff, how are you today?

 

Jeff James  20:19

Yeah, doing great. Thanks, you guys. I really appreciate you asking me on your show today, I hope the listeners get a kick out of what we have to say.

 

Mickey Gordon  20:25

I think so too. So this is a big Christmas episode for us. And you know, for us knowing you and knowing our listeners, we thought it would be really cool to give them a present and have a real renaissance man out here. So why don’t we tell our listeners a little bit about why Jeff is a renaissance man Miller?

 

Mallory Gordon  20:43

Yeah. So we’ve known Jeff for a few years now. And Jeff is an artist. He’s a porn star,

 

Mickey Gordon  20:50

former porn star. And a close friend of ours. Absolutely. And so he I just did it. Absolutely. Again. I gotta stop saying that fucking word. Yeah, it Yeah, fantastic is gonna be my new one. But hey, you know, it’s not just that right? He also does speaking gigs for UC Cal. Right?

 

Mallory Gordon  21:09

Yeah. And seminars. Mm hmm.

 

Mickey Gordon  21:11

So it’s, it’s a little bit of everything. He’s a massage instructor. So Jeff, we’ve got a lot of questions for you. And I know our listeners probably will, too. But we’re gonna start with the elephant in the room and pardon the pun elephant’s trunk or you know, maybe just your giant thing. But you are a former adult film star, right?

 

Jeff James  21:30

Yes, yes, I am. Actually. Yeah, started in the late 80s. All the way up and through into the 90s in the 1000s. So yeah, kind of in the glory years, the golden years of porn, the glory days. So how many films did you make? Not the glory hole, the glory days? Well, it’s really hard to say I mean, as far as really getting the numbers together, I mean, I do have an IMDb profile. So if anybody wants to look up some of my titles, you can look me up at Jeff James porn star. Jeff. James. Number two, I believe it is on IMDB. But to track all your porn movies. That’s why they never unionized it’s hard to figure. Somebody said they guesstimated somewhere around 440 800 some odd movies are in and then probably 16 1700 magazine layouts. So that was back in the days when they actually printed magazines and had them on paper.

 

Mickey Gordon  22:23

Holy moly. So that that’s kind of crazy, right? Because you probably didn’t sit down to film 100 movies, right? They took that scene and they used it in this film or that film?

 

Jeff James  22:34

Yes, that’s exactly what they do. They take the movies, when back in the day, when before there was any thinking of union, what we would do is we’d shoot a movie, and then you would sign off your rights to that movie clip. And that movie could be sold over and over and over again to different movies. So you actually were making appearances and five, six to 10 different movies. But you only got paid for the one.

 

Mallory Gordon  22:57

Wow, that’s interesting. I didn’t know that.

 

Mickey Gordon  22:59

No, right. I mean, you think about you know, your work. And and then you I mean, look at it as an IT from an artist perspective, that work isn’t really that much different than some of the artwork that you put your heart and soul into you put your back into it, you’re working hard for it. And then somebody takes it and reuse it again and again. And again, without permission. this day and age. That’s illegal.

 

Jeff James  23:22

Yeah, I mean, it you know, you do sign off your rights. Many times when we were doing movies, you would sign off the rights to those images into those movies. And you would give them permission by signing those guarantees that they could take those movie clips, and sell them to whatever distributor whatever Movie Maker wanting to get those. So in essence, you are Yeah, you’re not getting paid for them. But it feeds the ego I guess.

 

Mickey Gordon  23:49

Well, tell us how you got into that industry. Because I think there’s probably a lot of guys out there who fantasize about being in porn, and then maybe reality is a little different. But tell us how it happened for you.

 

Jeff James  24:01

Yeah, it is. Um, I mean, getting into the movies back in the day was a little more colorful. I think then and what it is now, back in when I was doing it, I was actually a stripper. I was a male stripper and I was doing parties. So I would go to these parties and do different parties, bachelorette parties and wedding parties, things like that. I was asked by one of the girls if I would actually want to do a shoot with her. I said certainly, you know, it sounds like it might be kind of fun, but then I give it some thought I’m like, I don’t know, you know, my friends are gonna see this. And this is some it’s gonna be out there. And then she says, well, you’re going to get paid X amount of money and I said, Well, okay, I’m down. So I found myself doing my first movies. And my first magazine layout Actually, I shot for LFP which was Larry Flynt publications. And then I did, I guess even layout and another magazine layout, and then they asked me if I wanted to do movies. And I said, certainly, and I started getting books, the new guy on the block Next thing I know I’m doing it every week, you just kind of excuse the pun and fall into it. You Next thing you know, you turn around and you wake up one morning, you’re like, Damn, I’m a porn star. Here I am, you know, people start recognizing you, you start seeing your magazines coming out on the, on the bookshelves, which, you know, you find a Saturday afternoon when you don’t have anything to do you go out to neighborhood porn bookstore, adult bookstore, and you look at the magazine racks. And there you are, on the cover of a magazine and everybody’s buying it.

 

Mickey Gordon  25:33

That’s crazy. I watched a documentary in high school, where Alexander’s talked about what it meant to be a porn star. And they asked him, if you love what he did. And he looked at him like they were crazy and said, I get paid to buck for a living. Did you really just ask me that question? That’s about it. Yeah,

 

Jeff James  25:51

yeah, that’s about it. You know, you don’t realize that it’s an occupation, you don’t realize it’s a career choice. until after you’re deep into, you know, the, the whole culture of the porn industry, which, when I was doing it, it was definitely a culture. There’s a lot of friends, you knew a lot of people, you knew all the directors and producers, you would go to ABN every January, which was like a class reunion, you’d meet once a year in Vegas, and we would get together and say hi. And it really becomes kind of a subculture, you know, you get, I hate to equate it to this. But there’s many other ones like police officers, firemen, things like that. They go to their own parties to go to their own social gatherings. Well, the adult film industry was the same way. You know, we had our own attorneys, we had our own tax people, we had people that were were very much, you know, helping the industry out, because there was so much money to be had, at that particular time. You know, and and it was just, it was so much fun. You just felt like you were a part of a secret boys club. You know what I mean? Did you have a handshake? Yes, we had a special handshake? No, no. And it just kind of it would have been fine. You know, where were you and I had this we shouldn’t have a handshake. You missed out on something.

 

Mickey Gordon  27:12

What do you say the question is, you know, back in the day, so again, and I’ll refer back to that documentary. You’re the only other porn star I’ve actually seen speak for any reason other than I know your sinks broken. But actually speak Yes. You weren’t paid to speak. Right. But one of the things Aleksandr said in that documentary that also stood out to me was that in order to be an adult film star, you have to be able to get hard and have sex and pop on a city bus during rush hour.

 

Jeff James  27:44

That’s a really good way to put it. Yeah. I always tell people, you’d have to do it in a snowstorm being chased by a polar bear, but bad. I like the bus thing. Yeah. You know, that’s funny. So it’s not easy. The directors would put you in situations that and the way that when I talk to people in the classrooms is that we portray people in sexual fantasies. So it’s not something that’s normal, it’s not something that’s every day, the directors would come up with imaginative new situations, that they would put us in that end up becoming stressful. They aren’t your normal situations that you would normally come across. You know, it’s not like you’re in, in a bedroom at seven o’clock at night with their favorite girlfriend, you know, right after dinner. You know, we’re just up like pilots, and were doing it in a cockpit, or out on a boat in the middle of the night. Or, you know, hey, some director all of a sudden had some masturbatory fantasy where you thought, hey, it’d be fun to have sex in the snow, and not really think it out, you know? But yeah, that’s, that’s your job. That’s your job of a porn star is not to be in a situation that makes you comfortable to be in a situation that is going to sell products, and is going to be in the masturbatory fantasies of whoever’s watching.

 

Mallory Gordon  29:04

Fair enough. So coming from the time you were in porn, what do you think is change in today, in today’s society, and in the product that’s put out there now and the culture?

 

Jeff James  29:18

Yeah, the culture and the product is put out now is definitely something that has changed considerably. One because of the onslaught of the internet, of course, and distribution points being what they are now people just, you know, they free stream off of websites, and they download their movies and they get it all in, in real time, even at some sites. Whereas before we were actually putting out a product IE, DVD or back in the day, VHS. You had a hard product that you had to sell. So the product has changed. The shooting has changed. The direction has changed. Just like with everything else, people back in the day, thought it was risque and it was awesome just to see a couple of people without any clothes doing it in a park bench. Nowadays, you’ve got to do it, you know, in a fireman’s outfit upside down with fire going on in order for people to even look at it is to say that this could be stimulating. People are inundated with with porn and erotic on a daily basis. So what they find as being a what they would say porn worthy now, they’re definitely pushing a lot of limits. They were pushing those limits when I was going in coming out of the industry. They were doing things that were very risky, both medically, and or, you know, fantasy and in a fantasy situation, because that’s what the consumer demands.

 

Mickey Gordon  30:46

That’s huge. Right? I mean, think think about that for a second Mallory, right? I mean, when you think about all the porn that we watch, right, and all the crazy things and one of the things that I’ve noticed as a personal connoisseur of for Radhika

 

Mallory Gordon  31:01

monography

 

Mickey Gordon  31:02

find pornography is that every time you log into any page now, whether it’s in Take your pick, whether it’s Pornhub, or x videos, or motherless or any of that crazy, you know, whatever you want to look at, it seems like more and more things are getting more and more extreme. Right before I mean, you really had to look to find a good midget porn now. It’s like right there in front of you.

 

Mallory Gordon  31:20

Well, and I have I have trouble choosing the categories that are available. Like it’s

 

Mickey Gordon  31:26

sad that Sheila was trying to watch them jerk off. And he sat there looking for porn for an hour looking for something to jerk off to.

 

Mallory Gordon  31:34

Yeah, and then you got to three minutes asleep waiting for him to jack off.

 

Jeff James  31:40

Ya know, a lot of people will find that, you know, and it’s not only now now they’ve become and I hate to say it, their own kind of sewers of figuring out what exactly they feel like they’re in the mood for at that particular time. There’s so much variation out there, that it’s not enough just to be, you know, in a sailors outfit doing it on a boat, you know, now they need to have, you know, people want foot fetishists, and people want group scenes and people want masturbatory scenes and people want, you know, amateur, amateur films are huge now, because they don’t see Barbie having sex with Ken anymore. They just want to see real people doing it in a hotel on a balcony in Vegas, you know, so everybody has their own whims, everybody has their own thing. And that’s the, if you look at it, that’s the glory of what we’re doing. That’s the awesome part of the adult film industry is that the diversification now is so intense. And so many people out there demanding so many different things that there’s room for everybody. There’s room for every fetish out there and and the product is definitely diverse.

 

Mickey Gordon  32:48

That is so badass. And you know, we’re talking we brought you on we talked about you being a renaissance man. And I think that your experience is so unique. When we talk about your experience as a as a porn star, which you don’t take offense to that you’re a self described porn star, not No, not at all, which is super cool, by the way, but you’re also an artist. You’re also a host for club fa. You’re also an instructor, you’re also a massage instructor. So I want to cover some of those other things. But before we do you know what lifestyle podcast, we’re in the lifestyle or friends or in the lifestyle our listeners are either in the lifestyle or they are thinking about being in the lifestyle. We talked about how the influx in the flood of erotica has changed porn that has changed the experience for you in the lifestyle at the same time, because you’ve been there the whole time as well. How has that things changed for you and the lifestyle? And are they reflective of what you found as an adult film star?

 

Jeff James  33:49

Yes, the lifestyle has changed considerably, just like Warren just like everything else. You know, we all go through our changes, we all go through different phases, every every industry and every every lifestyle goes through as changes now watch the lifestyle change considerably from time to time. Sorry, I’ve got an airplane flying over me, I guess you want if you’re not sure about to jump out of the plane. I should put a sign on my head anyway. You know, the lifestyle changes considerably, just like everything else does. And I’ve watched it change. I’ve grown up in the lifestyle, not just as as an industry person, but in my own private life. I’ve watched it go from fishbowl parties and people doing home parties and back in the days when the organization like lifestylz was doing it and really kind of cutting edge. swingers parties when everybody would just get naked and have sex right in their front room to the point now where I’m involved with club FA and, and several of the other lifestyle organizations. It’s gotten to be more of a social arena for many People on Yes, they’re still swingers. And yeah, they like to swing. But it’s more of a lifestyle thing. I think it’s got that, you know, that social edge to it. Yeah, the community. It’s a sense of community. It really is. It’s a sense of belonging I see now, as I travel around a lot of couples that don’t partake in so much the sexual advantages that the lifestyle offers and more of the social part of it. We call them social swingers. Because they need to be in that environment in order to be in an environment where they can let themselves go, but they don’t actually physically partake in the swing party lifestyle. So yeah, it’s changed a lot. It’s definitely what’s that

 

Mallory Gordon  35:44

social swinger? I’ve heard that before. So I like that.

 

Jeff James  35:48

Yeah, social swingers, they have to come to a swing lifestyle event in order to be kid free and to be able to be flirtatious and wear the erotic clothes that they like to wear. But they don’t necessarily physically go into the play rooms and take advantage of some of the swapping type situations that they get into. They just want to be in the erotic nature so they can go home and feel as though they’ve gotten away from everything. And they’ve gotten away from the nella Ville. And,

 

Mickey Gordon  36:15

well, there’s any extra casual swingers. Right. I think there’s maybe some of our listeners that that listen to casual swinger because they don’t get out enough or maybe it’s not a sport for them. So I thought this is really good, really good content for them. So Mallory, we’re gonna ask a question, what was that? I was I was so tell us a little about club fa. I know you’ve been there for quite some time now that you’re a host for them. And we’ve talked about them privately. But for our listeners, just give us some info and tell us what you love about it. Absolutely.

 

Jeff James  36:45

And there are a lot of people who were involved in life scout lifestyle on the East Coast, and even in the central parts of the United States, but they forget that there’s a lot of swingers on the west coast. Club FA is the largest and oldest established club in the United States. We’ve been open for 47 consecutive years, we have over that we have over 30,000 members on our logs. Not only do we have the largest and oldest and well established clubs, one of the only legal clubs in the United States. But we now also own one of the only and legal established resorts. That is 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days out of the year a lifestyle only resort. So that’s freedom acres, the resort, which is in conjunction and right next to our club. So not only are we doing the club scene, but now we’re also doing the outside pool parties. And we have places where people live we actually live, my girlfriend, Aubrey and I actually live on the resort. And we are part of the resort on an almost 24 hour basis.

 

Mallory Gordon  37:47

That’s amazing.

 

Mickey Gordon  37:49

That is super, super cool. And I’ve heard stories about FAA being pretty incredible. And you know, there’s some other folks that actually I think Tom and bunny from Tom’s trips used to be with FAA too. So we heard about it from those guys who were affiliated with a magazine that we advertise in that’s right here in the Orlando area. So it’s just really funny to hear it again.

 

Mallory Gordon  38:10

Yeah.

 

Jeff James  38:12

Feel free to make Tom and bunny were a big part of growing freedom acres, to the point where it was such an international thing. It’s amazing when you travel a lot and you go to different places like hedonism, or you go to different clubs and things and you tell them you’re a member of FA that people just look at you and nod and seem to know exactly what it is. It’s nice to know it’s just not another neighborhood club that it is very much an internationally known club.

 

Mickey Gordon  38:39

So do do me a favor when we talk about FA compare and contrast a little bit you’ve been to Hito a bunch. That’s where we met honestly. So tell people you know how because when we talk about secrets down here we call it kind of like a mini Hito light right? So how does FAA compare and do you think that it’s the same type of people what’s different what’s the same? What would somebody expect if they went to FAA if they know Hito?

 

Jeff James  39:03

Well, freedom freedom acres in comparison to Hito Hito is like he does like Disneyland. It’s the biggest of all of our fun areas. Hito is an amazing place to go to but freedom acres is like a smaller version of that. It’s kind of like secrets is kind of like Kelly and Tay not quite as built up we the resort is rather new but the club itself is an amazing club. We will have well for instance, last night we had the Miss FA contest that we have every three months. We award to one of our members, the right to come up and take they have a little dance off and we call her Miss FA and we give her free admittance to the club for three months, her and her partner. So last night we had I would say close to 400 people in our club at one time. That’s average for a Saturday night. Wow. In a little less, but will Paul will provide a quote I would say close to 800 couples a weekend, on a typical weekend on New Year’s, our biggest party of the year will pull almost, I would say six to 700 people in one night and UMC all those parties, right? I do I am see the parties now our old our owner, who is still our owner, and God bless him, Russ and his wife, Ury, who now actively runs the club. They own both club club and the resort. But boss Russ is not as active there as he once was. And so I am trying my hardest to step into his very familiar shoes to be the emcee, the voice, and the face of freedom makers, to be able to get on stage and guide things through and do the events and talk about the new and upcoming events, keep people informed. And I also do the same thing at the resort during the day. In our summer months, when it’s nice and hot. I’m running the emcee and the mic at the pool. So I do the games and announcements and try to become the voice of everybody’s event. Everybody’s day. So um, I enjoy it. I enjoy it a lot. I think it’s fun to do. But beyond that, both Aubrey and myself are remind my new girlfriend and love of my life. I met her a year ago actually at the club. So I have the club to thank for the most exciting all the fields over here right now, Jeff, she is she’s the love of my life in the ultimate dream. And she has stepped in to body paint. She is a talented artist, and a wonderful painter and now she’s going in and body painting and doing that with us. So now we’re doing a tandem as a team and I am so proud of of being a growing part of that part of our lives. So

 

Mallory Gordon  42:02

yeah, I love it. I love it. What are the odds of two artists coming together at a you know swing club or swing resort?

 

Jeff James  42:10

It is phenomenally I am telling you as as an artist and an active single guy in the lifestyle for such a long time. And I was very cherished when the fact that people loved me as a single man because I’m you know, I was and still am very much a body painter in the lifestyle but to one night actually have this glorious girl Come over to me and start talking to me about painting. And to have her become part of my life and take on the body painting just decided it was a one in a million shot. And I know for a fact and I was blessed on that on that afternoon to have her in my life and I’ll never let her go.

 

Mickey Gordon  42:51

This is an audio program. So I’m just gonna tell everybody out there it’s listening. I have seen Aubrey in hot damn. Yeah, man. So my boy didn’t just score with a Intel intelligent, talented girl hole. Oh, yeah, shit.

 

Jeff James  43:06

Exactly. is I don’t mean she’s amazing. She is talented, she’s intelligent. She and I tell her this all the time that her jagged edges fit my jagged edges just perfectly. So like,

 

Mallory Gordon  43:21

like puzzle pieces. That’s memorable. So you were you started as an artist, right? You’ve always been into art, dabbled in art. And then you went to bought a body painting and your body painting in the lifestyle.

 

Jeff James  43:35

Can you tell me a little bit about that? How you have a body painting, body painting in the lifestyle actually started in the porn in the point as a porn career. I was body painting girls on the set because I was bored to death. And we had all this makeup around. And I got familiar with Mac cosmetics, Mac cosmetics is a great product that we use all the time. Sorry, I had to throw that in there. But they’ve been so supportive of both myself and of Aubrey. It is a special part of that. But I started body painting in the porn industry. And then when I left the porn industry and became an active part of the of the swing lifestyle, that was a talent that I brought with me and as a single guy, I realized that it was a way for me to be able to be an integral social aspect, and part of our lifestyle. And as I was doing it more and more, I realized how much people actually love the service. You know, everybody has something about them that they want to get covered up. Everybody has something about them that they feel a little self conscious about, well, body painting can help with that, especially in the aspects of our lifestyle that we have. But to be decorated, to be different to be mean to be blinged up in that type of an environment is a service that we can give people and we come across stories more and more all the time, about how we really enhance people experience when they come across to us,

 

Mickey Gordon  45:02

I think this is probably a great time for us to tell one of those stories, because it’s really how we got to know you. And we found out what kind of guy you were. Right. Do you want to start with that one? Miller? Yeah, yeah. So um, we were all on a trip together. And there was a couple there on. The one was wearing bottoms in the nude side. And she was asked to remove them. Well, unbeknownst to the security officer that asked her this, she had a pretty bad scar. She had cancer and some surgery and was really, really self conscious. And unfortunately, they asked her to leave if she wasn’t going to remove her clothing. And she was devastated, is beginning to their vacation. And she was upset that her husband was upset and they happen to be there with another couple. And so they get other couples come? Yeah, I found Mickey and Mickey and Jeff got together and came up with a solution. And Jeff kindly, pro bono painted this woman covered her scar on, can you tell me a little bit about that experience from from your side, Jeff, because I’m gonna get emotional here. And I don’t want

 

Jeff James  46:07

to cry. I do. I’m starting to tear up every time I hear it. Because it is it was true. The couple was there. And it was their special vacation, they had saved up for quite some time to come down to Hito to join the party. And when they realized that the party was on the nude side, and that she had to be completely naked, he was devastated. He was being defensive of his wife, of course, and security, of course, being insistent, because that is the rules. It looked like there was a stalemate, and they were going to be removed. And then when Mickey came over and told me about that situation, I couldn’t help but be part of it. And I wanted to help. And so they brought her over to the body painting station, I said, I’ve got this no problem. And as she removed her clothing, when nobody could see I went ahead and painted her with a Hawaiian floral kind of arrangement, and ran off naked. And it was we were able to save their vacation. Do you know that that man came to me every day and asked if he could pay me for those services? And I said, No, I can’t take money from you for this. It’s bad karma. I was there to help you. And to help you have your and save your vacation. For the two of you. It was a present gratis from myself to them. So being a body painter, it just, it puts us in a situation where we can help people out and makes us feel good about who we are and what we do.

 

Mickey Gordon  47:29

I gotta tell you, Jeff, you know, for Mallory and I, that’s one of our favorite memories from the resort when people ask us, you know, what we love about it, you know, and what we love about it versus other resorts. It’s people like you, it’s experiences like that. It’s our ability to help people have what that couple termed was the best vacation of their lives. He came to us every day and hugged us for introducing you guys. But the thing that blew us away is you know, you come down there to work, you come down there to work, and you do that for money. You do pink people for money, but you changed somebody’s life. Not for money. You did that because of who you are. And that’s one of the reasons we love you. I really glad we got to tell that story. Yeah.

 

Jeff James  48:11

An amazing story. It really is. And I love you guys for reminding me about nantel me. But I can’t take money when I help somebody out in dire needs like that. It’s just, it’s not who I am. But yes, I do come down there. And I do make money. And those tips are greatly appreciated. We need those tips to be able to help us with our travel expenses. We’re not rich, you know, we might be fun people to be around. But we’re not people of mean. So we do have to pay for our luggage and our travel expenditures and the money that people pay us and the tips that they give us are substantial, and they definitely help us continue coming down. And doing those trips for people. We don’t make any investment type money or anything like that on it. But we’re not in it for that we’re in it to make people happy and to enjoy the lifestyle and to meet beautiful couples like you guys, and and to help people out with their lifestyle experiences.

 

Mickey Gordon  49:07

absolutely nuts. It’s just so cool to hear. So I want to talk a little bit about the seminars that you put on a cow. And more importantly, I want our listeners to get a little piece of what it is to fuck like a porn star,

 

Mallory Gordon  49:21

which is interested in this part because

 

Mickey Gordon  49:23

we never heard this before. So you know, so again, as part of your Renaissance men persona, you provide lifestyle seminars and in seminars about your experiences in sexuality at Cal for young people, and these are people that are, you know, really young like 18 to 21. So write a little bit about that, how you got in it and what it means to fuck like a porn star.

 

Jeff James  49:50

Well, when I do, the seminars that they do, at the colleges are basically an introduction to the life As well as an opportunity for them to be able to talk to somebody who is in the adult film industry and and be able to ask them at a q&a session, to be able to ask them what their curiosities are, because I know they’re in touch with our industry. I know they’re at home watching, and I know they’re jerking off to it. I know they’re having sex to it. And a lot of people, they look to our product for that, that outlet. And so to be able to stand in front of somebody and ask them personally and reach out and touch them shake their hand, and be able to say, Oh, my gosh, you know, what about this? What about that, I want them to get it directly from the sources My father used to tell me, if you want to know what it’s like to be a copy, ask a cop, don’t ask a fireman, you want to know, it’s like to be a porn star, ask a porn star. So I’ve been doing these seminars for almost 20 years now. And in the, in the UC, and in the college format, to be able to touch upon these kids and I don’t get paid for it. There’s no compensation there. These teachers don’t pay me anything Matter of fact, I lose a day’s worth of work. And I lose the gas and the time that it takes to do this, because it’s about getting through to somebody, it’s about sharing that information. If I could change one life, if I could influence one person, if I can make one person happy with the information that we have to give them. If we can influence somebody into getting off the couch and going out and living life like you and I do, then it’s all worthwhile, you know, then the career is worth it.

 

Mallory Gordon  51:28

Right on. So what kind of questions do you get asked in the seminars?

 

Jeff James  51:31

Well, the questions I mean, I’m the UC level, and this is an on the fuck like a porn star level that I do at the swing resorts and things. And that’s a whole nother thing. I’ll get to that in a second. But on the user level, it’s it’s most of the time is, you know, it’s the same question. Was it fun? Did you like it? You know, how big are you? And you know, what was it like in the day? And how many people did you have sex with and just do one question after the other. It’s the fact that, I can do that. But deeper than that, the reason that the teachers have voted me the number one speaker 10 years in a row on the UC level is because I come in. And I hate to say under the guise of being a porn star, because I am a porn star, I come in with that, that edge, but because I’m not an instructor, because I’m not part of that. The of the UC instructors affiliation, and I’m, I’m just a porn star, people let down their guard, and they listen to what I have to say. So amongst all the laughing and come shots in the eye shots and the fucking stories, I also hide a lot of life philosophy. And the teachers enjoy the fact that once the kids lowered that shield, and I can say fuck, and I can say dick, and I can say I suppose he, once they do that, and they get to get them to laugh a little bit and talk about sex. I hide a lot of life philosophies in there about getting out and living life on your own. I tell the, I tell the kids all the time that you know that no man is guaranteed tomorrow and the cemeteries are full of people who are younger than you are. You’re on borrowed time, it’s your responsibility to get off your ass, stop playing the games, get off that couch, and go live life to the fullest because nobody’s guaranteed tomorrow. And if I can drill that message into one kid, just one person one time to make them go out and live their life and be happy. When they’re 80 years old, they can say thanks to this porn star, they may not even remember my name. But I went out and I did it and I grabbed life and I did it for the fullest. Then my whole career my whole life is worthwhile. And I can’t love you. You know?

 

Mallory Gordon  53:56

They love your altruism and, and your your want to empower other people to make the best of themselves.

 

Jeff James  54:06

You know, my father told me and growing up he taught me that there are two kinds of people in this world there are people and there are human beings. People are stingy, self centered, conceited sons of bitches who go on and have experiences and don’t transmis and give that information and those experiences to others. Human beings go through life and experience things to the fullest. And then they turn around and give those loves those passions and give that experience to other people. And that’s what makes us truly human beings.

 

Mickey Gordon  54:36

Yeah, I can’t say that I could do any better than that. I just know that our listeners know that I’m a nerd because I think there are 10 types of people in this world. One, understand binary and ones that don’t.

 

Jeff James  54:47

Ah, can’t believe it. It’s so big bang on that one. Dude, I got a brother. I did. I love you for that.

 

Mickey Gordon  55:01

This is this is the coolest thing in the world. We love talking to you. And, you know, we’ve talked about your career important. We’ve talked about a little bit about your artwork. And I’m going to give you an opportunity here in a couple of minutes to tell people how to get a hold of you, right? Because you do come out and do that for events and parties and for travel groups. And I personally don’t think there’s anybody better at it.

 

Mallory Gordon  55:23

No, no, I have yet to see anyone who can hold a candle to Jeff,

 

Mickey Gordon  55:27

and you’re you’re trained artists to write I mean, you went to school, or you have an art degree,

 

Jeff James  55:31

I actually went to school. Yeah, I have a degree in graphics. And I’m a train find artists find artists as well. Both Aubrey and I paint, we’re going to be opening up a website here soon, that people can actually see our paintings. And if they want to see our paintings and what we can do, they’ll be able to purchase those both in lithographs and original paintings. We’ll be getting a hold of you guys a little bit later and hopefully do another interview, we’ll give you that website and have some of your listeners actually see what we can do. Not only with naked bodies, but with a canvas as well.

 

Mickey Gordon  56:05

Well, you can count on that from us, as well as putting you on our affiliates, page requests, friends of casuals, on your CV, there’ll be right there. So anybody that wants to thought as well, they can buy a painting done by by a porn star. Yeah, we just got to figure out what you’re gonna paint for us because we’re going to commission something from you. So tell us a little bit about how to fuck like a porn star because I know you just did one of these recently, and I saw it on your social media feed and I’m like, Oh shit, he’s got to talk to our listeners about how to fuck like a porn star. What the phone talking about number one and really like, I mean, give us the give us the

 

Jeff James  56:43

nutshell here. I’m going to take a two hour seminar and drop it into a 10 minute statement. So here we get you get the condensed, unabridged, real quick version. When I do those classes, how to fuck like a porn star and most of the 90% of the time when I do that class, it’s for swingers in and usually do it right before a swing event, like before hido or before they spend their money on a week going on a swingers cruise I did a lot of these for the swingers cruises to get people pumped up and how to get more out of their vacation. What I would do is I would give these seminars on how to fuck like a porn star. And when they come to the seminars, I would tell them, how do you fuck like a porn star who’s the porn star in this vacation in this swingers event? Who’s the porn star that you’re looking at? It’s the alpha couple that one couple that walks in the club smiling and looking good. How do you how do you become that alpha couple? How do you fuck like that porn star? Well, first of all, simple I’m going to give you give it to you in a couple of couple of quick points. Point number one smile all the time. be approachable. People don’t want to approach a porn star who’s grumpy. People don’t want to approach somebody who’s not smiling and having a good time. Leave all your debris at home. Leave all that drama away because right now you’re on vacation, and you’re getting ready to go out there and have a good time you want to fuck like a porn star. You got to look like a porn star. dress yourself up, put your makeup on. My girlfriend does her makeup every day to make her look amazing. Always look your best because that’s when people are going to look at you. You never see a porn star when they’re looking shabby. They’re always looking good. Listen to Weston. Exactly. Yeah, unless you look at like you got arrested and that’s a whole nother whole most or we’ll talk we’ll talk about that next week. But in this one, how do you fuck like a porn star, you make yourself available. Make sure that you’re in the middle of the room. When you’re in the play rooms. You have sex in the middle of the room, you don’t go hiding off in a corner somewhere. Let people watch what you do. If you want to fuck like a porn star. Let people watch you like you are a porn star. Stop hiding things. Get out there and show off your sexuality show off what you can do. Show off the intensity between the two of you because that’s what attracts other people to you when you are in a playroom. Fucking like a porn star isn’t just a frame of mind. It’s a style. It’s not doing it like a regular person anymore. Now you’re trying to show it off. Now you’re going to show it off to the people in the room. Now you’re going to be showing off your techniques and your style and your energy and your enthusiasm the people around you. It’s it’s a form of an A way of thinking that you have to put yourself in that frame of mind. So one of the things that I teach people all the time, is in order to be a porn star. You have to feel like a porn star. You have to eat right you have to exercise make sure you put yourself in a good situation. So that when you’re in that sexual time when you’re in your sexual prime when you’re in the middle of that playroom and you’re actually having sex, you can rip it out and really do what we do on camera.

 

Mallory Gordon  59:47

I love that I felt like there’s an undertone there of like building and boosting your confidence to again, live the best version of yourself. I see what you’re doing there.

 

Jeff James  59:57

Absolutely. And that’s exactly what it is. If you Notice the people when they’re on film and porn stars. They’re on, they’re on point. They you have to like who you are, if you don’t love who you are, you’re not going to be able to love other people. You have to like who you are and go in there. And even if you don’t have the confidence, even if you don’t look at yourself in the best light, you have to make other people feel like you do when you walk in there and smile, do the best you can. And what’s going to happen is, you’re going to get that positive coming right back at you. You’re going to get those people walking up and wanting to know you. How do you become that one couple? Who says, Oh, my God, I want to know that couple. How do you become that one couple that everybody says, I want to get to know how do you become that one couple that when you walk through the door, that everybody looks at you and says that’s the couple I want to know, well look good, smile, be positive, get the most out of your event. Yeah, we all have drama, we take care of that at home. But when you’re in this type of environment, when you’re swinging environment, when you’re at a cruise, when you’re Edo, you drop that shit and leave it all behind. Because you paid a lot of money to have a good time. That’s how you fuck like a porn star.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:01:02

That is so bad ass. And you know, you touched on on one of my favorite things in the world personally. So confidence is sexy.

 

Jeff James  1:01:11

That’s it, it’s it exactly. And to be able to get that confidence, it’s just the fact that you have to believe in yourself, no matter what you look like, no matter who you are, no matter how old you are, no matter what your physical appearances are, do the best you can with what you have, because we can’t change any of that. You know, you are what you are, and we are who we are. So you’ve got to live in your own skin and understand that that’s who you are. And you walk out there and you show off what you’ve got. Those are the people who are going to look like porn stars, those are the people who are going to act like that those are the people who are going to put themselves in that situation where people are going to want to approach them. That’s the whole idea of like, like a porn star. It’s not necessarily about techniques. It’s not necessarily about about style. It’s more about putting yourself in that frame of mind that I am the porn star, that I am going to be the porn star tonight and I’m going to do the best I can with everything I have. And just for God’s sake, be happy, man be happy. How could you not be happy in our lifestyle? How could you not be happy with what we do?

 

Mickey Gordon  1:02:18

I wonder all the time How the hell people can be grumpy at a lifestyle club or at Hito or a desire or FA or wherever the fuck you go. And the things you’re talking about. You know, you said you know it’s not all about one thing or the other. It’s you know, they say sizes and everything right? Well, yeah. What do they say? takes a long time to get to China on a rowboat, right.

 

Jeff James  1:02:41

That’s, that’s the deal. But you know what, enjoy the voyage, buddy. Enjoy the voyage. It’s not about reaching your destination. It’s all about enjoying the voyage. And this

 

Mickey Gordon  1:02:48

this stuff is the motion in the ocean. And Jeff, I know Mallory is gonna speak up here in a second and tell you what she thinks. But I think you’re just badass dude, and I have a huge announcement for our listeners, but I’m gonna let Mallory speak up real quick because

 

Mallory Gordon  1:03:04

yeah, I’m just I’m so grateful. I feel lucky to know James personally. Um, it’s just such an honor to have you on I look for we love you too. And I look forward to having you on you know on a regular cadence. I’m excited for you and Aubrey for your art. I can’t wait till we can announce your new website. So thank you so much for for taking the time for us today. Yep. And also

 

Jeff James  1:03:28

God I’ll tell you what you guys you guys will hear it First we’ll make sure we email the website to you and you can tell your listeners posted on your site you guys will be the first ones to be able to show off what we’ve got to offer

 

Mickey Gordon  1:03:39

that’s so bad so let’s talk about Jeff James for a minute Jeff James is Jeff the body painter and if you want to find Jeff the body painter you can do that at Jeff the body painter.com you can email him at Jeff at Jeff the body painter calm I know that’s a fucking mystery to anybody but yep there it is Jeff at Jeff the body painter comm you can reach out man I try to make it easy. So you can reach out and find him. You can find them through us because here’s that big announcement I promised I was gonna send this way and I promised it before we recorded this segment feel like we need a drumroll. Yeah, we need a drumroll. Hello. We’re survivors are Clark Griswold. So Jeff James is joining us here on casual swinger. He’s going to be a regular contributor, which means you need to send us questions. That segment is called ww JD. What would Jeff

 

Jeff James  1:04:30

Jeff do? You know I’m there for you guys. I’m there for your listeners. Here’s the thing, listeners. If you want to talk to a porn star, if you have a question that you wanted to know, if you have something that you want to ask me and it doesn’t matter if it’s just about porn, it could be about sexuality. It can be about the lifestyle. It could be whatever you want. I can’t speak for everybody and I’m not a professor, but I am a guy who’s done there. I’ve been around the block a few times. I’m going to give it to you straight from the belt just like my friends here do and you have a question. Let them know. Tell them What it is, and I’ll give you my answer.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:05:02

Absolutely. So Mallory, why don’t you let folks know where they can reach out to us where they can send their questions for Jeff James for the next segment where we have him on, which of course is what would Jeff do.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:05:12

Alright guys, so if you could reach out to us at podcast at casual swinger.com and send your questions there. You can also find us as casual swinger and Cassidy, STC, SLS, Twitter and Facebook.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:05:28

Yeah, yeah. And Lord knows how many everywhere we’re casual swing all over the place. But a big huge, stinking thank you to our friend Jeff James. We’ve got more questions for you. But we’re gonna let this thing go for now let you get back to your beautiful girlfriend and get that Christmas shopping out of the way. Hopefully no more airplanes dive bomb you my friend. Yeah, you’re spending the time with us.

 

Jeff James  1:05:49

Hey, not a problem. We can take a few moments out of our day to make sure your listeners have everything that they need. And they could want and we’re here for you. And I’m looking forward to doing more of these podcasts. And I am so looking forward to hearing those questions from your listeners. So listeners, dig down deep. That’s right. This is your opportunity. Make sure you find that question and let us know what it is. And I look forward to hearing from each and every one of you.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:06:13

Ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be right back with Mallory’s toy box a special Christmas edition. You’re listening to casual swing. Welcome back to casual singer. I’m Mallory Mickey. And you’re listening to Mallory’s Toy Box and have I got some good meat for you guys out there. Today we’re going to talk about the crave necklace This is called the crave Vesper and this is really mean this is actually a functioning vibrator. That is also a statement necklace and I know you ladies know what that is but for the guys, it’s a longer necklace that typically has like a medallion or something you know really ornate about it. Or maybe it’s a pendant that that kind of like makes a statement. I guess this is a suite of accessories. It really does. It really does. And it’s stainless steel that comes in three different finishes. I think they have silver, they have rose gold and then the creme de la creme, the 24 karat gold plated. You can find these unloved crave calm, but I’ve also seen them on modern Aphrodite calm and they think Amazon they’re all pretty much the same price no matter where you buy them. I provide prefer buying from love crave. We’ve gotten quite a few of these for myself, a couple of our friends, folks we travel with and they have great shipping policies, great return policies love them. And if you order in the next couple days, I think it arrived by Christmas. Oh wow. So I think tomorrow is the last day. Yeah, this Wednesday, which is air day. It shipped pretty quick. Greg, did you ordered it? Nick came before our friends two days. Yeah, two days before? Yeah, two days after I ordered it was pretty neat. What I love about this little vibe is one it’s quiet, too. It’s easy to use. It’s got four settings, you have low, medium, high, and then pulsing. And for the compact design, it’s packs a lot of punch and running theme here. I am a power queen. Very much so. So it’s splashproof it’s not waterproof. So you don’t want to submerge this item. But you also don’t want to insert it and I think they say that. I think it’s slipped a couple times. I mean, nothing bad has happened. But it’s just it’s so narrow. And it’s so small. I mean, I think it’s about three and a half, four inches long. I don’t even think it’s that long. It’s pretty bad. Yeah. Um, I mean, it’s a necklace, right? I mean, it’s it’s really I mean, you can wear a necklace with the vibrator on the end of that. I mean, you’ve worn it and people didn’t know what it was correct. I mean, I got busted by our oldest Yeah, so shady swingers and Captain fucking perverts. And it’s USB rechargeable. I think that’s a big feature. That is a huge feature because that this is what I pack when I travel for work. My day job is what you pack when you travel in the backseat with our friends. Yeah. That is also true. It’s a badass little vibrator and what does that thing go for? Is that a budget toy? I think it actually it’s it’s probably a little more than about his way but it’s not something like the Lila ones we’ve talked about previously. This ranges I think the straight silver goes for $69 and the 24 karat plate it goes up to 149 that’s not that so No, no, I mean, it’s definitely reasonable. I mean, you know, I would pay I’ve paid that for jewelry before like if I really love something and this one has dual function. So yeah, it’s badass. Yeah. So it’s and you said it comes in three colors. It’s USB rechargeable. Is

 

Mallory Gordon  1:10:00

it waterproof? No, it’s splashproof. So if you’re squirter a little extra wet down there, you don’t have to worry about it never had an issue with it there. But you don’t want to submerge it. You don’t want to take it in the shower. And it says on the box nonton serve it. Awesome. So this is awesome. You’re busy till kiddo flossing,

 

Mickey Gordon  1:10:16

you’re busy. So this way would be really good for somebody that maybe wants to get their wife something that’s a little risque, but still, you know, you know, it still can be a fashion accessory. Like you said, Yeah,

 

Mallory Gordon  1:10:29

I mean, you might be able to get away with openness in front of the family or the kids parents till they turn it on. That’s true. It does come with a little charge. Yeah. And it does stay charged for up to 40 minutes on at least it’s what it says in the box. I think I did about 4550 minutes depending on what your power setting I used to work most of the way to Tampa, which is about two hours. But I mean, we were playing with it on and off. And we each had one too. Oh, yeah.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:10:55

So can you say there was a there was a pretty good party going on in the backseat on the way down there? Yeah, yeah. But they’re they’re super cute. Like I said, they come in straight silver they have a rose gold like with the top is rose gold and it has the rose chain. Or you can get the entire thing. 24 karat gold plated if you’re, you know the yellow gold girl. Awesome. And what’s it called again, crave Vesper and you can find it on love crave, calm, also on modern Aphrodite, calm or possibly Amazon. Alright, so I’ll throw some links into the show description so you guys can find out where to pick this up. But as far as Christmas presents go, I think the special lady in your life or maybe just buy it for yourself. Ladies, if you’re listening, the crave vibrator necklace is is a very popular toy. And this is

 

Mallory Gordon  1:11:42

very much and I think they’re doing 15% off today.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:11:46

15% off today. So that’s if you get it in there when you’re listening to this. Whether you’re doing it on your way to visit family or on your way to work or wherever you happen to listen to casual swinger, jump online and take care of that post taste. But I think that about does it for Mallory’s Toy Box quick and dirty today on the holidays. So, you know from our family to yours merriest of Christmases happiest of holidays. Right? Whoa, whoa, whoa, use a hole. Now I gotta go listen to that. I can’t remember the name you can’t take her to a hotel hotel.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:12:22

Can’t make a housewife. proven that wrong.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:12:28

Alright guys, Merry Christmas from us to all of you. You’ve been listening to casual swinger.