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Mickey & Mallory are no strangers to pictures and video, but that’s nothing compared to the number of videos and photo shoots our friend Jeff James has been a part of!

We sit down and talk the tech aspects of storing our personal files before being joined by former adult film star Jeff James to talk about angles, lighting, and of course showing your audience what they’re there to see!

Join Mickey & Mallory as they kick off Season 2 with a BANG!!

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Secrets Hideaway Orlando
Naughty in Nawlins
Jeff James IMDB
Paranormal Investigations with Jeff James
Lifehacker on encrypting your USB drive (Mac and PC)

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SE02E01 – Picture This

Thu, 9/2 9:57AM • 1:10:49

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

porn, camera, shooting, fucking, people, casual, sex, pictures, jeff, swinger, photos, listeners, shit, shot, jerk, talk, couple, girl, video, dirty

SPEAKERS

Mickey Gordon, Mallory Gordon

 

Mallory Gordon  00:08

Welcome to casual swinger. If you’re under 18, the following podcast is not appropriate for you. The subjects and language are for mature audiences only. If you’re not mature in nature, just make sure you’re old enough to vote. We don’t take ourselves seriously ever. no guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any opinions or statements made on this podcast or website or a blog. It’s all in fun, folks. This isn’t Dr. Phil. Now consider yourself the listener properly advise

 

Mickey Gordon  00:51

everybody, welcome back to another episode of casual swinger. This is season two episode one. I am Mickey and I’m still Mallory. I still love that name. I don’t think we should ever change. Man. I’ve missed our listeners. Oh my god, what’s

 

Mallory Gordon  01:04

my microphone? I’ve missed my headphones.

 

Mickey Gordon  01:07

I see them sitting here because they’re, you know, in my office, but I mean, I’m, you know, I’m really part of the problem, right? We’re late. It’s Sunday. We were supposed to release on Wednesday.

 

Mallory Gordon  01:17

Yeah, it’s just been it’s been crazy. We haven’t really been home like weeks

 

Mickey Gordon  01:21

now. And we’re leaving again. Tomorrow. You’re leaving? I mean, we’re gone. Again. opposite sides of the country. Yes, sir. So

 

Mallory Gordon  01:28

Oh, by the way, I’ve missed you too. We did have a lot of sex this weekend. We did we had to pack a lot into a very short amount of time.

 

Mickey Gordon  01:34

We’d You know, every episode, we tell everybody how much sex we have. I wonder if that’s getting old. I wonder if anybody’s like, Oh,

 

Mallory Gordon  01:40

yes, your hand if you don’t want to hear about us having sex anymore? There’s no hands up. I don’t see no one. Okay, so, hey, Happy Pride, guys. Yeah, Happy Pride Month. Happy Pride weekend. There were so many events going on. Yeah, there were rainbows everywhere. Yes. I hope everyone had a great time. Love is love. I hope everyone had a safe weekend. We had a bunch of friends out in St. Pete huge Yeah, that parade is sensational.

 

Mickey Gordon  02:07

It is but you know I don’t really honestly give a shit how you do your love how you do your sex. I support you right right on I mean that’s I think that’s really how it’s supposed to be I’m allowed not to care but I’m also I do care I want you to love whoever you want to be an avocado be and avocado love and avocado photos of UK could use so we just got back from

 

Mallory Gordon  02:28

great Bo Alabama. Now, we were in nowhere Alabama. That’s not an Albanian like accent that’s my best Forrest Gump impression. Okay, which is not to say we do you have listeners and listeners Alabama. I’m not mocking you. I just suck. It was middle of fucking nowhere. It was literally for a week. Yeah, it was literally the middle of nowhere. It was beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. very peaceful. But Florida was gorgeous. It was I mean, we had beautiful weather like it was in the 50s in the morning, froze my balls off. And bless my dad’s heart broken that house of 14 people in two bathrooms. Oh, yeah.

 

Mickey Gordon  03:10

About four elderly men in two bathrooms

 

Mallory Gordon  03:13

to all they do is poop all day long, horrible.

 

Mickey Gordon  03:17

That math does not work out. Every time I came in. I’m like, Oh, you know it’s easy to add a piece on a bush I come inside and I see some old man shuffling to the bathroom. I’m like Oh no. Why did they all shuffle? Can they not pick their feet up after 70? Is that the

 

Mallory Gordon  03:33

gravity? Well gravity does take its toll after seven years. It’s gonna drag the ground at seven I didn’t ask them about their dicks but joints and shit Come on man. All right well speaking of shit where you have some shit coming up don’t we do we have a lot of shit coming up good shit too not too bad not the whole shuffling old guy should know not not know my colon is falling out of my penis kind of shit. I felt bad for that house Really? min min is literally what four weeks away five weeks away. Really that close it is it’s like so soon.

 

Mickey Gordon  04:06

Oh my god. Okay, so nervous. I’m excited. What is in it for anybody that lives under a rock on that listens to our show. Ninh is naughty in Nolan’s it is a massive event. It’s one of the largest swinger focused events in the country. And it happens in New Orleans in July, French Quarter, couple of hotels, bars, takeovers and the podcast meet and greet if you guys aren’t, haven’t checked this out. We’re having a meet and greet that’s going to have us and swing it down under and Jesus how many I don’t know. There’s like 10 or 12.

 

Mallory Gordon  04:39

Either. Hey, I my brain. Angie and Jay, you’re going to be I’m so excited to see them again.

 

Mickey Gordon  04:45

That’d be super cool. I think euphoria is going to know euphoria is going to be the cu for re and D are going to be there. Wow. Jesus, it’s slipping my

 

Mallory Gordon  04:53

starstruck. I’m just I’m super excited. And I’m super excited to be virgins at this event. When’s the last time you were a virgin it Anything that is not a lady doesn’t tell. Oh, Lady can’t remember. A girl has no memory. No. Oh, my daughter’s 24 years. It’s been a minute. Okay. a while. Okay, well, you know, you always feel like a virgin to me. Oh, no,

 

Mickey Gordon  05:24

I’ve never had one. But hey, we’re doing and we are gonna be there. If you can find us we’re gonna have a table. We’re gonna be walking around with backpacks full of casual swinger swag. Say that fast three times,

 

Mallory Gordon  05:38

backpacks full of casual swinger swag bag. Casual sweater swag.

 

Mickey Gordon  05:42

There’s gonna we’re gonna have a ton of shit to hand out. We have bought so much crap. Good thing for us. It’s tax deductible. But it’s, we’re gonna give away a ton of a bunch of goodies. We got shirts.

 

Mallory Gordon  05:54

Oh, man, we have shirts with toys, which we’ll get into that later down the road. But we have some epic toys to bring with us. We have some other accoutrements. No. So

 

Mickey Gordon  06:04

many good too. And some new orleans themed stuff. Yes. So many good things for you guys. You got to find us find us at the podcast meet and greet finding sitting in come say hi. Come tell us what you want to see or hear on the show. We would love to hear from you. I heard like, what 3500 people or something are going to be there. It’s going to be pretty big.

 

Mallory Gordon  06:22

It’s going to be a Yeah,

 

Mickey Gordon  06:24

yeah. And we’re going to be recording live from the event. So that’s one of the things we’re going to do then there’s we’re gonna record a show from Ninh. We’re going to carry a recorder around we’re gonna get some of your thoughts. I think that’s gonna be pretty cool. You know what else is coming up? Which is a little ways out, but we’re starting to plan for it now. podcast Palooza.

 

Mallory Gordon  06:43

Yeah, you were giving me details on that. Yeah, that’s gonna be in Miami next time. Now.

 

Mickey Gordon  06:47

I don’t think it’s ready to really, you know, totally let the cat out of the bag. But I’m pretty excited to attend that. So

 

Mallory Gordon  06:53

you and me both. It’s a huge honor.

 

Mickey Gordon  06:54

Yeah, we’re looking forward to that. So that’s going to be in Miami. So any of our listeners in Florida, you should pay attention. That’s going to be the hottest ticket in 2020. Right there, folks. Well, sooner. Oh, no. Second hottest second

 

Mallory Gordon  07:08

hottest ticket still can’t talk about it. It’s gonna be hot. So dude, Fourth of July is right around the corner. We have the pineapples right and secrets. Oh my god. There’s a big bang and there’s big band party. Big Bang party is this weekend at secret hideaway here in Florida. That’s before the Fourth of July and then the next one is pineapples. Yes. Holy shit. I think we’re actually in town. Both weekends. Yeah. Fingers crossed. All works. Well. Yes. And there’s that whole Independence Day. Happy Birthday America thing. Yeah, America. Yeah. Burn money blow shit up. Yeah, I guess so. I’ll be home with our dogs so they don’t shit all over the house. They do. Well, our old dog used to shit on every stair. Yeah, bless her old little heart.

 

Mickey Gordon  07:50

We do a lot of travel and this episode, by the way, we haven’t told anybody right we’re eight minutes in and we haven’t told anybody what the fucking episodes about.

 

Mallory Gordon  07:57

Oh, we go down a rabbit hole we did. We just read. Yes. Which one? So yeah, this episode is regarding videos and photographs. Yeah.

 

Mickey Gordon  08:08

And not for your profiles. Now these are for you. This is your personal porn episode. Yeah, I’ll do is PS

 

Mallory Gordon  08:14

dirty. Dirty, dirty, dirty.

 

Mickey Gordon  08:18

You know penis Posey, personal porn, all the PS I wonder if my pop filter is doing this

 

Mallory Gordon  08:24

job. Please, please stop.

 

Mickey Gordon  08:28

But, you know, it’s interesting. You know, we we’ve talked a lot about with our work travels about you know, playing you know, while we’re on the road and maybe you know, capturing some of it for each other. I don’t know. That’s when a lot of work travel coming up.

 

Mallory Gordon  08:41

We do. I see where you’re going with this slide. Look in here. I have my notebook. I have my pen. I will be taking copious amount of notes. Yeah. Because Jeff advice. Yes.

 

Mickey Gordon  08:52

Coming up here in a bit. Jeff James is joining us today to talk you know, our resident porn star.

 

Mallory Gordon  08:58

Yeah, I couldn’t think of a better person to give us advice on videography or photography when it comes to sex. So here we go.

 

Mickey Gordon  09:06

We’ve probably Yeah, we could have gotten the marriage counselor or the doctor or the author or on any of that and other people that have joined us on the show, but

 

Mallory Gordon  09:13

Baker, the candlestick maker, like butcher the baker, the candlestick maker.

 

Mickey Gordon  09:20

God so yeah, we’re gonna talk all about recording or sex for posterity. So pictures video making your best memories. And we’re gonna do with Jeff James and you know, a quick refresher on Jeff James, if you guys don’t remember who he is, he was a porn star in the 80s. He did 39 different categories he performed for video or vivid magma.

 

Mallory Gordon  09:38

Like what? some arbitrary 150 200 videos. Yeah, total. He’s got a bunch. experience and he’s just a Down to Earth guy. He knows lifestyle. He knows sexiness the industry. So lots of great advice coming from Jeff.

 

Mickey Gordon  09:52

Yeah, I’m looking forward to having him on. But you know, before we have him on, Jeff is a force of nature and he’s going to talk a lot about you know, just kind of what the best things you can do are, but we’re gonna give you our perspective what we think. Yeah. You know, first of all, you know, do we take pictures? I mean, yeah, we do we take a lot of pictures take a ton of pictures. But do they all make our profile?

 

Mallory Gordon  10:15

No, no, definitely not. Um, why?

 

Mickey Gordon  10:18

Why don’t they? I mean, is it because worried about them getting out? Is it worried, you know about faces? What do we I mean, we cut your face out of most of the photos, I do miss the photo.

 

Mallory Gordon  10:26

I mean, for me, that’s a general rule, right? Because there’s a certain amount of anonymity that I am comfortable with and that I need. So even for shared photographs and video, there’s a lot of times where I will ask to admit my face, just for my own protection.

 

Mickey Gordon  10:43

Yeah, and I mean, for me, personally, anyway, and you know, we’re just talking about casual swinger here. And, and at casual swinger, we, we have a brand, right, so everything has kind of the same look and feel we do kind of a black and white noir kind of thing with a green and in not everybody’s going to do that, right. With your personal profiles, your personal photos, you’re not going to dress them up that way. But at the same time, you know, do what turns you on, right. I mean, for us, you know, we do have pretty public jobs. So we don’t you know, we’re not out like a lot of the lifestyle podcasters are someday, one day we will be one day. But you know, we still share pics with others, right? We have some absolutely refuse pics out there. But you have to meet us. If you want to really, really know who we are, you have to come somewhere and meet us the rule. Yeah. Until then we’re making a Mallory and that’s that

 

Mallory Gordon  11:31

if I was on the other side of that, and that was the conversation I was having. And that’s was the request. I’d seen nothing wrong with that.

 

Mickey Gordon  11:38

So as that lady, because you are one I checked this morning. I want to know what constitutes a good dirty pic of you, in your opinion,

 

Mallory Gordon  11:48

and my opinion of you.

 

Mickey Gordon  11:51

Good dirty pic of someone else. So as a woman, tell our listeners those two things, what’s what’s good of you, and what’s good with other people.

 

Mallory Gordon  12:01

Alright, so what a good pic of me is really hard because I am my own worst critic. If I am taking them for you, let’s say on the road. It’s usually it’s one of two things. It’s a very body specific shot, like by titsa great today. And just my kids or ass or in my thong or whatever it may be at the time. Or it’s a full body shot, like a selfie from a pie, but I’m laying down where you can see that I’m touching or playing with myself. But you don’t get the full shot. Because I do have short little arms. And I’ve tried to get complimentary pushy, pushy shots, but I just I don’t take them well. I don’t feel like I take them. Well. I send them to you and you love them. So do you go gaga for them? But I look at them. And I’m like, Oh, Jesus. What does it look like? I need to go spelunking crazy?

 

Mickey Gordon  13:04

Well, it think as a guy, I want to see different things than you do. Right. So when you try to picture that turns you on, how’s it different than what you’re doing? You take them you’re taking them thinking about me? So what do you what do you want to see when you see a picture?

 

Mallory Gordon  13:19

I guess it depends if it’s a male or female. I can start there. Let’s start with females since you’re dirty. Oh. Full body like the full body. Yeah. Peck. Yeah, there’s just I mean, a woman’s body is just gorgeous. I don’t care if she’s a size 16 or six. Like the female body is just beautiful thing.

 

Mickey Gordon  13:41

I got the best dirty pic last night that wasn’t really that dirty from our friend in Winnipeg. Oh, yeah. Yes. And she’s sitting there in her robe drinking wine. And she just kind of did like the half sideboob picture, you know? And I was like, Wow, that looks delicious. She’s like, yeah, the wines pretty good. No, that’s not what I meant. When I met Jay, but that was hot. I was like, I’m gonna just run over there and bury my face right there. You keep drinking one

 

Mallory Gordon  14:11

secret time. Mickey loves robes. Yeah, right.

 

Mickey Gordon  14:14

Mickey my neck roll. So, you know, what about video? Is it different? Do you like something? When you shoot a video? Do you aim for something different? I mean, you really don’t send me a lot of video. I want you to

 

Mallory Gordon  14:25

here’s the thing. Do it. Do it Do it. So here’s the thing with video. Um, I have very little experience being the videographer. in this situation. It’s usually their person or stationary, and even then I get I’m hypercritical or I didn’t have enough experience to give quality like the first time I ever did it. We were completely like you couldn’t see where we were, like you saw like an arm and then ahead and like it wasn’t anywhere close to where it needed to be. It was so backwards flailing so bad. Can you hear my likes elebrate even I’m like, we did a good job. I should have checked the camera position like it was

 

Mickey Gordon  15:03

awful. So that’s something Jeff will probably talk about, which is called framing your shot. So make sure you actually look and see what the camera can see before you walk over and start doing your thing. But

 

Mallory Gordon  15:15

okay, the whole, like, common sense logic thing you can just like

 

Mickey Gordon  15:20

but you know, it’s more than that too, right? Because we’ve taken some videos and I’m like, Oh, this is so fucking hot. And, and then we go to watch it. And because the camera maybe didn’t have good low light performance. It’s just like a kind of sex machine. Dark block going Boogie. Boogie, Boogie, Boogie. Yeah, that’s true. And you’re like, wow,

 

Mallory Gordon  15:37

I think in our experience, the sport cameras. That happens more common, and I don’t want to I mean, like the GoPro style. Yeah. GoPros EPS shit, low light performance. Yeah, yeah. So like, the, like a digital camera, legit, legit camera, and they don’t even have to be expensive. Mine is not expensive. Like it, they have a much better performance for that. Does that mean you’re going to use it? Maybe it’s been a while. So you’re excited.

 

Mickey Gordon  16:10

Folks, half chub. So let’s talk about, you know, video versus photos. Is it different? Are the goals different? And I mean, does it depend on what turns you on? Right? And of

 

Mallory Gordon  16:23

course it does. But I like how you like, you skipped me asking you the same question. Reverse. Sorry. Yeah, something for me. Yeah. What was that? I don’t remember now. Oh. So does that mean I don’t have to answer. This is not my fault. You fed me bourbon?

 

Mickey Gordon  16:40

Yes, that’s right. We’re doing a recording at night, folks. Not in the morning. So we’re drinking. That’s what that sound is. It’s not Christmas. sleigh bells.

 

Mallory Gordon  16:50

So what’s sexy for you?

 

Mickey Gordon  16:53

While you’re my favorite porn star hands down. So pretty much anything with you in it is going to get my motor running. by it. You know, I think audio is sexy. For me being able to hear is sexy for me. And not just, you know, being loud, loud doesn’t equal better.

 

Mallory Gordon  17:13

No, no, I think it’s definitely about the content for you. Which is funny.

 

Mickey Gordon  17:17

Yeah. Well, I think this sound of sex is hot. You know, like, if you’re super wet, and you’re really enjoying yourself, that sound is screaming hot. So that’s, I mean, that’s just kind of it tells tales that words never could. As a storyteller, I love stories that tell themselves that lead you down other pathways and make you think about other things that might be going on or thoughts or feelings. And you know what I mean? Where you can kind of choose your own adventure. And I wonder if this was happening, or if that was happening. Right. So a little like,

 

Mallory Gordon  17:52

you appreciate the imagery. Yeah. implied? Yeah. So

 

Mickey Gordon  17:54

so me personally, you know, my brain likes to run away with that kind of stuff. So that’s kind of fun. I like the curtain. Yeah, yeah. Audio is big. Being able to hear what’s up to be able to hear the little things that people say to each other when they’re really going at it. You know, if the cameras all the way on the other side of the room, you can’t hear the you know, the dirty Pillow Talk that’s happening.

 

Mallory Gordon  18:20

That’s true, which is funny one of the first few times that we participated in swapping with a couple we have in the same room and after we were recapping and doing our thing. And we were giving each other like the highlight reel from both of our perspectives. And that’s something that I found really unique is I heard when you said blah, blah blah to him. I’m like, Oh, really, you caught that? And you’re like, Oh, yeah, that was hot.

 

Mickey Gordon  18:50

Yeah, I remember exactly and by the way, we’re hard now But yeah, I mean, I think that stuff matters in depends on what turns you on right? I mean, so if you’re like a cook or a hot wife or stag vixen, right which I mean apparently three fucking different categories now. But you know, that is going to be a different level of stuff. Just call

 

Mallory Gordon  19:09

it fun. Fun Time. Fun Time.

 

Mickey Gordon  19:11

But then maybe couples video or orgasm videos like turns me on when you come right when you said when you pop that’s always hot for me. Yeah, 100% of the time.

 

Mallory Gordon  19:20

Secret time used to love it when I do it on camera for you. Yeah, we lived apart Yeah,

 

Mickey Gordon  19:26

we did. We did over a year of long distance we did to start our relationship and she used to whack off on camera for me before it was cool. I did. Excuse your dirty. Oh, yeah. So that was a shame. But I think that’s always been kind of a part of us that open communication that open sexualities that was I was always fun for us. But how vocal should you be in a video how vocal or how comfortable? Are you personally? How vocal

 

Mallory Gordon  19:54

me personally, I’m very comfortable being vocal, but there’s a there’s a threshold right? I’m I like to be very aware of the impact it has on the other person or people in the room. Because one, I don’t want it to be a distraction. Right? I don’t want it to kill the mood. But I also want it to be impactful in a positive way, you know, just enhanced the experience we’re having.

 

Mickey Gordon  20:19

I think it’s important is, you know, whether it’s

 

Mallory Gordon  20:22

so much you can control to a point, because there’s a lot of times that I don’t I don’t know that I’m moaning or grunting or how, how loud that is. Unless I see. Unless I am aware in that moment. Yeah,

 

Mickey Gordon  20:36

I think it’s important to be honest, right? Because, like, for the sake of video, it can’t be all like spit in my mouth if you don’t like it. Because that could be a problem. You’re over here going Don’t spit on me ever do not spit.

 

20:50

Your mouth was open.

 

Mickey Gordon  20:52

But you can’t do that if you’re not into it. Right? And that goes for everything you know, from fuck me in the ass. I’ll spank me or tell

 

Mallory Gordon  21:03

  1. Maybe I’m completely insane. But it’s easier for me to ask those questions. Questions about my partner or partners. Once the sex has already started, is it Yeah, wait, wait you like or how do you like this? Because I’m already like, implying that that’s what I’m going to do. Or maybe I’ve already started doing it whether it’s a blowjob or going down or sucking on their neck or whatever it is. It’s a lot easier for me.

 

Mickey Gordon  21:30

Yeah, this is like fucking 20 questions. Clinical right. And for me, it always has been this way because I’ve actually told you to shut the fuck up before but like too loud and too much money is distracting. It’s like alright, somebody put a pillow on this bed just face because I can’t take it anymore. I couldn’t rude. Rude as fuck. Like in the early days of pukaki videos I would like try to watch him and the poor girl was like squeak squeak squeak excuse like they were fucking a Pokemon. I was like, could you please shut it up? It’s just not

 

Mallory Gordon  22:06

what is wrong with you? I’m sorry. You’re so mean. Weird a pokeymon fuckit you You’ve ruined that for all our parent listeners out there. There you go.

 

Mickey Gordon  22:23

So bad is disgusting and funny and hilarious. And all I saw was a Pokemon getting fucked by 12 dudes and raining come she wouldn’t shut up. But I was entertained by don’t catch anything ever. Alright, you know what? So let’s talk about something that I think is super important.

 

Mallory Gordon  22:44

Are you going to talk about the security? Please do because this is something I feel like even if you’re conscious and you’re taking precautions or fuck it and caution to the wind. This is still something that’s worth considering.

 

Mickey Gordon  22:59

So since the dawn of cellphones, oh, by the way, a lot of folks don’t know I am our resident IT guy here at casual swinger. I handle a lot of our it stuff. I handle a lot of our audio video website all the geeky shit. Yeah, she fucks geeks. I am a geek, IR geek. Anyway, the gist of it is, you know, since the dawn of the cell phone era. First the I think the first thing somebody did with a cell phone with a camera on it was take a picture of their dick. Dude, there was a dude. Okay, the first thing that happened with a cell phone camera was a dick pic. Selfies came somewhere that after that. But, you know, we had this kind of explosion where cell phone memory got bigger and bigger and bigger. So you know, 64 gigs, 256 gig, you know, 15 $100 cell phones or expandable memory and cell phones so we could store more photos. Until they figured out they could charge us money to store our shift for us and never stop charging us because you’ll never stop taking fucking pictures and storing memes. What I’m talking about is things like iCloud, Google Photos,

 

Mallory Gordon  24:05

drive. Yeah, Google Drive.

 

Mickey Gordon  24:06

I’m talking about cloud based storage, which here’s a little helpful hint from casual swinger photos flash guys, no such thing as the cloud.

 

Mallory Gordon  24:14

Well, there is it’s just not yours. It’s essentially in somebody else’s server or PC.

 

Mickey Gordon  24:20

It’s someone else’s computer. And that person’s computer is open to the internet has usernames and passwords and you can store your shit on it for monthly storage fees. You get five gigs in iCloud for free.

 

Mallory Gordon  24:32

Yes. And keep in mind this is not you know, you know, Mr. Bob Smith in Sunnyvale that you know owns your personal iCloud account. This is Apple data farms a picture like a basement with farms and farms of servers.

 

Mickey Gordon  24:48

So I’m going to ask a question real simple. Should you store your intimate photos in the cloud?

 

Mallory Gordon  24:56

My response would be fucked out.

 

Mickey Gordon  24:58

The answer is fuck no secrets. happening if you want to know what happened, right, if you don’t know what the fappening is, a couple of years back, Jennifer Lawrence and a lot of other celebrities had their iCloud accounts compromised. And they didn’t hack it, guys, it wasn’t a hack. They literally just social engineered there when they searched on social media and found their dog’s names and their cats names and their family’s names, and they guessed it, the passwords, got access to the accounts, took all of their pictures and posted them on the web. Yeah. And Jennifer Lawrence, a freak was awesome. You’d be like, I

 

Mallory Gordon  25:35

fucking knew it. I didn’t know it. Keep in mind, like every, every account you own right, whether it’s your email or your bank account, you know, it’s password protected. And that’s like having a front door lock on your door. It keeps the honest people out. Generally speaking, generally speaking, if somebody really wants to get in, there’s a good chance they can.

 

Mickey Gordon  25:56

And if you store your data in the cloud, and you know, we personally, we use a cloud storage server for backups for our machines we do. And I literally specifically exclude our intimate photos and videos from those backups. Why? Because even though it’s encrypted and encrypted, so let’s talk about what’s encryption real quick. And I’m actually going to put in the show notes, a link here, on encrypting your hard drive. That’s a good thing. And how to encrypt a USB storage drive. So get yourself a USB drive. Get yourself something that’s not directly connected your computer, and encrypted I’m gonna show you guys how to do that’s

 

Mallory Gordon  26:35

not connected to the internet, something that’s not connected to an account.

 

Mickey Gordon  26:38

That’s where you store your intimate stuff. Don’t

 

Mallory Gordon  26:41

that’s what we do. Yeah, you do as you please do. We should please, we don’t judge you for it. It’s just maybe something you don’t know. Maybe. Alright, little tip hints from casual swinger. Just the tip.

 

Mickey Gordon  26:53

I don’t I like to put in half the backup. You know, it’s my personal opinion, is that the Carbonite? It’s the backblaze? Is these these online? You know,

 

Mallory Gordon  27:06

security services, their backup service? Well, backup services with a layer of security?

 

Mickey Gordon  27:10

Yeah, they’re very good. Yeah. And I highly recommend you use them. But I highly recommend you don’t put your personal shit out there. Don’t put it up on those services, because they’re only as effective as your password and the security of that password. So if somebody guesses it, somebody gets it. Somebody has it, somebody gets access to your stuff to get access to everything. And then those wonderful videos of you know, your wife and a cook experience with you know, three guys and a saddle becomes public knowledge. That’s scary.

 

Mallory Gordon  27:40

How baby ahead on red tube? Watch x hamster? Yeah, kind of digging. They’re still hard. You know, but but something, something I would know, say you and I, our paths never crossed. And I never was exposed to this industry or the side of the Geekdom per se. Maybe it’s not something I would have known about and continuing to along my little freaky ways. And not predicted myself. Yeah. Well, and you know, I think that’s sad for your computer. Well, I

 

Mickey Gordon  28:16

think it’s important. I think it’s important, you know that we in least cover this for everybody and say, Hey, don’t stick that stuff out there. Take those photos with your with your camera. Take those photos with your phone have fun.

 

Mallory Gordon  28:28

Well, I mean, even before the phones and like the digital camera age came out, and then we’re like, oh, yeah, we’re taking all the sex pictures now. Because it’s not the weird one our photo guy anymore. That is going to either. So the first digital camera that I ever took naked pictures with,

 

Mickey Gordon  28:44

uh huh. was like the size of a frickin lunchbox. Yeah, huge. I was so excited because I didn’t have to use Polaroids. And I actually bought a Polaroid camera just for dirty pictures. Now Polaroids were a thing of the past, right? Everybody was using, you know, the other cameras at that point. But I totally bought a Polaroid so I could take dirty pictures. And then I borrowed a digital camera from work. So I could take dirty pictures. I did, I totally did. So yeah. When we talk about taking photos and taking video, it’s not just for our profiles. It’s not just for each other. It’s also a big part of the lifestyle. You know, people like to capture some of these things. And we’ve talked repeatedly over and over and over again about communication being so important. So let’s start communication and how we communicate this, right? We like to take photos and video of each other we should do. But if we meet up with somebody else, you know, when’s the right time to bring that up? In your opinion, like when’s the right time to bring up like, hey, I’d kind of like to capture some of this. Let’s say you’re playing solo. When do you bring it up.

 

Mallory Gordon  29:50

So I really love to put people on the spot. So it’s usually when we’re in the act and I’ll whisper in their ear to take their temperature see if it turns them on. And I know that in a way that that is so fucked up, like, psychologically speaking. Because it’s not like it’s not like a contract, obviously, like, that’s something we’ll revisit after the fact to confirm and see if the next time or your future time we could do that you set it up for round two, I do. Oh, that’s interesting. There’s a strategy in mind as a guy, I

 

Mickey Gordon  30:23

can’t get away with that. Right? I can’t be like, you know, like, smacking that ass and like, and then be like, Oh, and by the way, I’m gonna grab my camera real quick.

 

Mallory Gordon  30:31

No, no, well, no, I don’t insert it into the, into the conversation for that sexcapades, that specific one. But like, one of my favorite things to do is when we’re facing each other, and I’m with my partner is too. And we can call it talking dirty into their ear. And if I want to gauge what turns them on, and what they’d be open to, it’s a great time to do so. And if they are capable of responding during the act, because some people aren’t some people are like, I can’t do conversation

 

Mickey Gordon  31:08

afterwards. So for our listeners that don’t know, how do you know if they’re into it? How do I know if they’re into the idea? Like, what kind of response do you get?

 

Mallory Gordon  31:17

Um, I had a guy come one. So there’s an identifier.

 

Mickey Gordon  31:28

Okay, well, apparently, that was a hot plan. Maybe we should have brought that up later. Like after you came? Yeah. That’s fantastic. So, you know, I think we talked about storing it. We said, don’t store it in the cloud, get yourself a USB drive, check the show notes. And we got a life hacker article there you can see about encrypting your data. I think that’s a great thing. Let’s talk for a couple of minutes about what we do when we take video or what we do when we take pictures. Like how do we set it up? I know you like to shop for outfits. When you find an outfit that you think is cute, and you think is hot, you’re like we should take totally take pictures with this. So what’s your thought process? What makes a great outfit for pictures? What makes and then I’ll talk about because, for me, it’s locations like I when I see places, like when we were in San Diego, and we had that window that was looking over the harbor that was

 

Mallory Gordon  32:16

I’m actually right there with you. It’s all about location or context, right? If it’s gonna be relative to conversations we’ve been having, like, let’s say for this podcast or for our own fantasies. You know, we were talking about positions and you know, some of the just positions I can’t remember right now, but we use the Ask the Liberator upstairs, I think is awesome to kind of play around with that. So,

 

Mickey Gordon  32:45

you know, we still have a coupon code out there. We do yeah, casual 30 Yeah, a discount from Liberator that’s still active for anybody interested but we have

 

Mallory Gordon  32:57

to take pictures of my spanking bench.

 

Mickey Gordon  32:59

We got the Oh bear from Liberator. So we’re gonna have new pictures coming. So we just know, we just covered so outfits. When you get a hot outfit, we take pictures. Yeah,

 

Mallory Gordon  33:09

and it’s not every hot outfit, but

 

Mickey Gordon  33:11

we get a location like San Diego overlooking the battleships and shit that were floating by

 

Mallory Gordon  33:15

fantasy related.

 

Mickey Gordon  33:16

So yeah, we had some great photos there. And then last one would be maybe an item like the Liberator s or the Liberator. Oh, bear or, and we talked about some of these great, like, items that we can add. They make for great pictures, right? But what makes for a great video, what makes a video really great. From my perspective. It’s more than one thing. It’s not where we are. It’s not what you’re wearing. It’s not what we’re doing. It’s all those things plus one big factor. how much fun it looks like you’re having then I am that’s that’s the fire was the five star that’s the extra star that was everywhere.

 

Mallory Gordon  33:59

And I can’t fake it. I’m I’m not a good liar. I’m not good at faking it. I never really had. So it makes me feel better. Yeah. You only came What? Six times today? This morning before coffee. It was wonderful. How does it ever I haven’t come six times this month. What? You’re doing it wrong. Yeah, we’ve been apart that long.

 

Mickey Gordon  34:25

It’s been a rough month. rikey rough month and Mickey and Mallory’s house. But she’s a cranky Yeah, we have any Australian listeners. More and more today. UK more today than I have all month. I would die. Right if six times this whole month. Oh, you would not be a terrible wife this night. Have you masturbated today to the whole history of the world war two bit with Bea Arthur. Alright. Did you bullshit today you play it on me. masturbating tomorrow. Did you eat your cameos this morning? Coming is disgusting. Good. Taste like almond milk. Mallory’s just shaking her head. She’s gonna take a drink. That’s so much fun. So guys, we have had some conversation here today. We’ve talked a little bit about taking pictures a little bit about video, what makes them good and more importantly, where to store these things. Get the fuck off the cloud, guys.

 

Mallory Gordon  35:29

I think at the end of the day, there’s two parts to it right? There is what’s what makes you feel good. Being the subject and then who is your audience? Right. This is the two biggest factors and good video or good pictures?

 

Mickey Gordon  35:45

Yeah, yeah. What? What do you really enjoy? And you know, I mean, I know the wrong way to do it. No, there isn’t. I think the only thing that you can do as wrong as not communicate surprising another couple by busting out of cameras a bad call. I’d say don’t just, you know, bring it up. But don’t just take it out. Right. Don’t wait. Yeah.

 

Mallory Gordon  36:05

You know what to say about when you assume? Yeah, or unsolicited dick pic. Right? Yeah.

 

Mickey Gordon  36:10

Just whip it out. Like, talk about it. See what they think. go that route. But I’m gonna put you on the spot. Again before we call Jeff. Okay. Are you got you got any plans coming up? Are you

 

Mallory Gordon  36:25

you’re calling me out, aren’t you? I may be taken on some travel. Yeah, yeah. Travel sex here. Oh, yeah. We’ll see. We’ll see ya shakes.

 

Mickey Gordon  36:39

Alright, so you heard it here. First, folks, then something’s coming up with casuals, see what she did? Mallory’s got a plan and we’re gonna hear about it. When it comes down to eight. You know, we don’t do the kiss Intel here on casual swinger. Now. Just keep it coy and let you guys know when something good happens. But it’ll be fun. We’ll keep it casual. Oh,

 

Mallory Gordon  37:01

I see what you did there to you like that. So

 

Mickey Gordon  37:02

if you guys are coming to Nadi in New Orleans, you’re gonna see those shirts, we got shirts with our new tagline keep it casual. And we got a bunch of those ready to hand out and throw to you. So if you’re a listener, and you need to come find us before we give those shirts out. We would hate to have those run out for you guys find them. That’d be no fun.

 

Mallory Gordon  37:22

No, no, definitely come find us CES.

 

Mickey Gordon  37:24

you absolutely should. So we’re gonna come back here in just a couple of minutes and we’re gonna come back with our favorite chef James house. So Jeff is waiting on the other line to join us here on casual swinger, but before we do it, we’re gonna let Mallory tell everybody where they can find us. Oh, God, I

 

Mallory Gordon  37:40

hope I remember this. It’s been so long. We are casual swinger everywhere guys. That’s casual swingers calm. That is Twitter, Instagram, YouTube. As less STC Cassidy and W nation. And you can send us an email, you can send us an email on podcast. Also, you can give us reviews on iTunes, which is awesome. Yeah, we love your reviews positive. Your reviews literally validate us and make us feel like talking to ourselves is worth I love affirmation.

 

Mickey Gordon  38:12

I feel like there’s another song in there somewhere. But anyway, you can reach out to us and we would love it if you did it. podcast. Casual swing calm. Tell us what you’re thinking about. Tell us where you hang out. Tell us how you take your photos and what’s special to you.

 

Mallory Gordon  38:25

Ask us questions. give us feedback.

 

Mickey Gordon  38:27

Yeah, and maybe we’ll we’ll include that stuff in a future episode. And honestly, if you ask us a question that we answer in a future episode, we’ll we’ll send you some casual so when you’re swags.

 

Mallory Gordon  38:37

I like that. We buy all the shit in China. I’m done with the bribery. I like to bribe people.

 

Mickey Gordon  38:47

Anyway folks, we’ll be back in just a couple of minutes with our friend Jeff James, you’ve been listening to casual swinger.

 

Mallory Gordon  39:10

Welcome back to casual swinger. Everyone. You got Mallory here. Oh, and Mickey and this other guy. this other guy, our good friend Jeff. What up Jeff.

 

39:20

Thank you. Thank you. Oh my god. It’s so good to hear from you guys. Again. I hope everything is going great. Great things about the show. We have. We have miss you miss you. Oh, man.

 

Mickey Gordon  39:31

It’s been a lot of fun, but I’m hearing good things about you too. What have you been up to? Dude, I heard that. You know, PCI is going off and you got a gallery opening. Tell us about your world real quick. I’m sure listeners want to know.

 

39:41

Oh my goodness. Okay. Well, I have a regular job plus we are doing the ghost timing with PCI. PCI has gone crazy off the hook. It’s a It’s amazing. How many people have that going on. And we have our art gallery show going on. At the Garcia Center for the Arts in San Bernardino, California. We have First open gallery show. So if you guys are interested in purchasing any of our paintings, whenever prints, we’d love to see you guys that’s going to be on July the 27th

 

Mickey Gordon  40:11

to 20 absolute insanity that’s so cool. Yeah, so I’m happy for you guys. For anybody that doesn’t remember who we’re talking about here. We’re talking about Jeff James if you guys haven’t listened to our show before if you’ve been living under a fucking rock,

 

Mallory Gordon  40:25

Yeah, what’s up newbies? Hey, yeah,

 

Mickey Gordon  40:28

right so our friend Jeff is a former adult film star starring in films in over 39 categories ranging from deep throat to featured movies for women. He has multiple names he’s performed for vivid magma and arrow productions. He is a man of Renaissance capabilities as well so

 

40:48

thank you thank you guys so much. I really appreciate it. I love your listeners I ever where I go all over the world. People are always telling me about how they hear about my show and they listen to your your your podcast, and and it’s amazing how many followers you have. You guys are you guys are superstars. You’re awesome. Thank you so much for having me

 

Mickey Gordon  41:10

  1. Well, I think they’re all there just for WWE. JD right. What would Jeff do? Yeah. I literally had somebody hand me a Snickers. Oh my god, like sneaky with a warious. It’s like a gang. Leader.

 

41:25

Yes, he just, he just maker’s man. That’s a very quick viagara right there, right?

 

Mickey Gordon  41:32

We just had a show on phony bonies we did rooster boos trash viagara which we all we thought about you because we’re like just eat a Snickers you don’t need this shit. But whatever. Now today we’re going to talk about something else that we’re going to talk about sex on camera. You do something about that, don’t you?

 

41:49

I know a few things. Yeah. So you have a little bit of experience in this field. A little bit. A little bit

 

Mickey Gordon  41:56

sex on camera, but also photos, right? So photos video. And so we’re gonna start with a really easy question and then kind of let you go from there because you just kind of do your thing. What is it about amateur and adult video photography? Right? So amateur video amateur? Why is it so popular?

 

42:14

amateur videos are much more popular than professional video and a lot of ways because people like to relate to other people sometimes the overproduced porn that’s out there, those people seem unreachable. It’s like I’m never gonna be able to have sex with that person. This is Barbie and can having sex with people like to watch amateur porn because they’re overweight, they’re tattooed. They’re this they’re that they can relate to that person because they look like somebody that they might know. Therefore, their sexual fantasies seem a little more within reach. So, yeah, so amateur amateur. Yeah. Yes, exactly. That looks like the girl at the grocery store. That looks like the guy who picks me up on my Uber ride. That looks like the guy next to me is a cubicle at work. So amateur porn is much more relatable to people’s personal life than their own sexual image. That’s why I think amateur porn.

 

Mallory Gordon  43:09

Oh, I totally relate to that. And if I’m like caught surfing porn, and Mickey, you probably can relate to this too. Like, I look for Dick’s I’m familiar with like Mickey’s dick or somebody else I’ve been intimate with. And then that gives me like the mental image of performing that we had for my own masturbatory pleasure. And it’s all about gayness. Like, there’s something about finding a familiar dick in an amateur porn that just does something for me.

 

43:35

It’s because you know, what it feels like? And you know what it’s like? It’s not like, and I hate to compare, but it’s absolutely true. Yeah, no, like, on, you know, looking at a giant that I’m not familiar with, or a pair of tips that I’m not familiar with. People look for stuff that they know what it feels like they’ve been there they’ve experienced, it brings that home for them. So, you know, turning around,

 

Mickey Gordon  44:02

let’s get Uber driver comment, because I don’t want to have Deepak in my masturbatory thoughts. That’s, hey, hey, somebody might somebody my buddies went out to the park right now. And he was cool. He shot buddy.

 

44:18

That’s right. Somebody is looking at their Uber driver fantasies and going hey, this is cool. So yeah, so our subject our subject today, shooting porn at home, right? Yes. And doing doing your own porn is huge in the amateur porn industry, we’d be nowhere. If we all didn’t pick up our cameras and our cell phones and shoot ourselves doing whatever we’re doing. So if I was giving some tips, and I’ve given lots of tips to people who come up and ask me and they say, Hey, we want to shoot some exotic stuff or a lot of stuff, you know, for our own pleasure. That’s great. Here’s my advice. First of all, when you’re shooting porn, and you’re shooting it for yourself, or you’re going to be sending it out, and we have a lot A lot of people, a lot of people are shooting porn for military. Because these girlfriends and these wives have their their husbands are out. So they’re shooting masturbation stuff so that they can send it out. Thank God for our armed forces. Amateur porn would be nowhere. So if you’re going to shoot your own porn, I’m going to make a couple suggestions. One, if you’re a girl, and you’re shooting porn to send to your guy, remember, you’re sending it to a guy. I understand you want it to be pretty and I understand you want to look awesome, and I understand you want to look fuzzy, but guys, don’t look at porn for that. So, you know, write to the subject matter as soon as possible. Remember who he is. And remember what his fetishes are, and what he likes most about you and concentrate on that. You want your guy to jerk off to porn that you’re shooting, shoot for that. If you’re shooting to get to the good stuff. If you’re a guy and you’re shooting for your girl, this is my advice to you. Take your time. Stop with the dick pics. All right, take your time and teaser a little bit. Girls love strippers, not just guys with whacking off. They want to see a little bit of a fantasy. So dress up in that fireman’s outfit, dressed up in that outfit, strip a little bit walk around. This is one of the things that I did for for a friend of mine. I would give her videos of just me talking and shooting selfies and not getting any sex at all. And then one day, I was shooting as I’m walking down the street and I’m slowly taking off my clothes a little bit at a time of course in the safe area. But then all of a sudden I got naked and it got sexy and it blew away because she wasn’t expecting it. It’s that type of thing. I think we all like to see it’s not just whipping it out and saying here’s my dick and balls. She knows that show her the rest of you. And then give me the deck and the ball. Yes, that’s I think that’s the most professional Yeah, there’s

 

Mallory Gordon  47:06

definitely a difference in the psychology behind it right now is about knowing your audience that makes sense like the for the speech when you take it in college. You know, it is the first piece of advice you get is knowing your audience.

 

Mickey Gordon  47:18

Don’t lie to our listeners. You definitely took your pick with a Polaroid didn’t you?

 

47:24

Yep. Either way, the filming everything just to get it to dry faster. Okay, yeah, and by the way, that doesn’t really work. If I was going to give you some technical advice on some technical advice

 

Mallory Gordon  47:37

I do but I have to ask you this question first because it’s so prolific especially in this game and the lifestyle. like can you actually perfect a dick pic? If you’re, you’re gonna send it and you’re gonna take that leap. You’re gonna do it anyways. Make it good. Right. So

 

47:49

like I let Yeah, let’s let’s talk about Yeah, so gentlemen, if you’re going to take a picture of your junk, here’s the two things you need to advise yourself on one. Use lube and make it look slick. Don’t do the dry thing. Girls don’t like projects they like shiny and shiny. Yeah. Anything from the balls? shoe from the balls up. It always makes you get bigger if you’re shooting from the ground up. It’s called the john wayne syndrome. john wayne used to like to get shot from the ground up because it made him look colossal. And he was a tall guy to begin with. But a been using that secret ever since. So shoot up that your deck it makes it look bigger than when you shoot down at your deck. It makes it look smaller. Did everybody jungle ship?

 

Mickey Gordon  48:34

Did everybody catch that? You want your cocktail and colossal? colossal is a great word to use call.

 

Mallory Gordon  48:42

Coming Your Way,

 

48:43

so shoots up at your desk. Yeah, shoot from the balls up. Don’t shoot. Don’t shoot my face down. So yeah, there you go. technical advice. Here we go. First of all, when you’re using your cell phone, remember, stop shaking it. Nobody wants to jerk off during an earthquake. So try to hold your camera still. Okay, hold the camera. Still it makes it look blurry when you’re moving it around too much. If you’re jerking off and trying to show it, you’re doing too many things at one time. You need to put the camera down on the side of the bed. Make sure it’s within focus, you can see everything and then jerk off into the picture. That’s great. But that way you’re not shaking the camera lady. If you’re going to do crotch shot, get yourself a selfie stick. Okay, want to have kind of a view of what we see when we’re looking at you. Not what the palm of your hand sees because at that point, your vagina is way out of focus. And we can jerk off to that to get a selfie stick. Get that far off kind of shot and then bring it in for the money. That’s always a good thing but try not to shoot the camera too much hard to jerk off. lighting. Always make sure your lighting your area. If you’re going to shoot this in your bedroom if you’re going to shoot this in your bathroom, get a couple of extra lights. Put some lights on Subject remember what you’re doing. It’s not an intimate date. You’re shooting porn. Make sure you light up all the stuff I want to see. That’s why in porn, we have lots and lots of lights. And last but not least, there we go. When you’re shooting porn and you’re masturbating, or you’re having sex, make sure you show the N shot, show the come shot. Everybody hates porn that doesn’t show the ending. It’s like watching a gunfight not seeing who wins. It’s just kind of a it’s a lag. It’s a letdown. Make sure you show the end shot. So there you have it. That’s some of my self porn stuff.

 

Mallory Gordon  50:35

I love it.

 

50:36

And there we go. Couples, couples, couples in the lifestyle. This is an advantage of being a swinger. If you want to show you and your mate having sex, invite a friend to be the camera person. That’s the fun part. For you,

 

Mallory Gordon  50:53

it is you’re like this mind reader because I had this question because I’ve never actually been in a position to ask it of another person like maybe invited someone else who’s just a third party to be that camera man. We’ve been involved in couples I’ve done the the unicorn thing, but never really had a human exist in that room just to capture those moments. And that’s, that could be with me and make you gain somebody else. Like is there like a certain etiquette?

 

Mickey Gordon  51:20

Or how do you have that conversation? Right? Yeah. My camera, man. And then number two? Like, I mean, any tips for the camera man? How should they conduct themselves? And does the camera man ever get laid?

 

51:29

Alright. All right, first of all, is there going to be a camera, camera man, you’re not involved in sex. Everybody thinks on my camera, man, I’m going to get late. No, you’re not leave your pants on, put your dick away, make sure you’re not thinking that you’re going to get late. That way, it helps to have an orgasm before you do this. A lot of porn cameraman will jerk off before they shoot porn, because it gets their mind off the sex and more on the art to get their mind out of the fact that they think they’re gonna get laid, and get back into the production of making the product better. Make sure that you’re going to fuck this person, you’re going to fuck them afterwards. Don’t fuck them during this production, get their mind off of what they’re doing, and more into the production of it. Here’s another thing. I saw this. It was a homemade porn. It was amazing. But the girl was shooting, there was a third third party, a unicorn shooting this couple having sex. And as she shooting, her hand passes in front of the camera reaches out and starts fingering the girl while he’s having sex, and then pulls back. And that’s all you saw. It was like the camera lady was getting in the extra field that just put the person who’s looking at the video, right into the movie, it was an amazing shot. It’s a POV thing, or a point of view. It was It was great. So if you’re going to shoot with another person, and you’d like him to probably chat and gravity a couple of times, but try not to get too involved in the sex because then you forget you’re shooting porn. And you get more into Hey, I’m having fun with my friends. You know,

 

Mickey Gordon  53:01

you made a couple of great points. Jeff, you talked about knowing your audience, if you’re a guy, you’re shooting this for a woman, you know, keep your dick pics, you know, in check, do and shoot the right thing. And if you’re a woman know what the guy wants to see. So you talked about things like that. But you know, you have all this experience in the adult industry. So tell us just when it comes to photography itself, what are the factors that make or break the photography? In other words, by porn standards, what’s a good picture? Good video versus home video and home photos. So, you know because we watch porn and we get the wrong idea, right? We get the wrong idea. So tell us what’s what makes good porn versus what makes good amateur.

 

53:43

Okay, good porn when shooting professional porn, we always have to remind ourselves where the cameras that never look at the camera. Don’t ever look at the camera. The idea is that the viewer is having a fantasy situation, looking in on the situation. Not seeing that this is a camera, too. Don’t ever look at the camera too. When you’re shooting porn, make sure you cheat to the camera. Always Show the camera the good stuff. So in other words, if you’re having sex, nobody wants to watch a hairy ass pumping up and down with a pair of pair of legs on either side and nothing in between. Roll her over, put her on top and let us see it going in. That’s the whole point. If you’re going to make a production to turn on the viewer, remember where the camera is, and fuck to the camera. Don’t fuck each other. Back to the camera. That’s the product that’s being produced. That’s the difference between a lot of amateur porn and professional porn professionals porn stars. They’re actually getting paid for putting out the product or always fucking to the camera, not fucking to each other. And that’s a huge point between amateur porn and professional porn, at least from a porn actors difference. And

 

Mickey Gordon  54:54

you know, I think POV and VR have really changed the porn industry a lot. But when we talk about amateur Your pornography especially in the hot wife in the cutscene. I think a lot of guys want to see their partner if they’re on video looking at the camera cuz it’s kind of like they’re thinking about them while they’re doing it.

 

55:11

Yeah, is it like let’s, let’s say for instance, let’s say for instance, you’re a swinger, right, and you’ve got that hot white thing going on. Let’s take that situation since it, we brought it up. Let’s say, your girl, your lady is going out and having sex with her boy toy. And she’s making a video because you’re in the other side of the world. And she’s going to send you this. I just had sex with my boy toy video. In that case, addressing him and looking through the camera is very appealing. Matter of fact, sometimes talk to that person you’re shooting that video for say, hey, Daddy, watch me I’m having sex with my boyfriend, Ariane. Oh, look, here’s a big deck, I’m gonna take it, I’m gonna take it. And when you’re talking to that person in the camera, it coaxes them out and has a great match between and it personalizes the video. That’s an amazing thing. But if you’re going to publish this, and put it on red tube, or wherever, and it’s going to be for a lot of different people, then forget that the cameras there and just let the viewer be a fly on the wall. spying on you while you’re in your hotel in Vegas. That that’s the two different genres. But yeah, POV is amazing. But if you’re going to do a POV video for your guy, or for your girl, talk to him. Talk to the camera, as if they’re sitting there on the couch watching. That’s always a hot way to go.

 

Mallory Gordon  56:34

I think that’s fantastic advice.

 

Mickey Gordon  56:36

Yeah, love it. Yeah. So speaking of talking, you are I mean it. So you’re not just like we said, we call you a renaissance man all the time. You’re not just a porn star. You’re also a teacher. You’re an educator of people. Yeah. And this is taken a step back, right? Because we’ve talked about angles. And we’ve talked about video and photo, we talked about what makes good photos. And we talked about, you know, porn versus amateur. But in the lifestyle in particular world lifestyle show, how do you bring up? How do you have the conversation with somebody that you want to save this stuff for posterity? How do you how do you even bring it up? And and what are some of the things we could talk about to make the other side comfortable? What are some things people should be concerned about? Let’s hear your thoughts.

 

57:18

Yes, here’s the thing, when you’re shooting a video for somebody else, you don’t have control of that media, your number one concern is the fact that these people are going to release it out, and everybody’s going to see it, your parents are going to see it, folks are going to see it, your friends are all going to see it’s going to be out there. People are paranoid about that now, and they have good right to be. So as a man shooting with another friend, you’ve got to be able to tell them, Hey, we’re not going to do anything with this, that you’re that you don’t want to sometimes people end up signing into a contract to say I promise I won’t publish this to the general world. And they’ll sign a little contract and an agreement to make that extra person, that third person feel a little more comfortable. Sometimes people just don’t care. And that’s great. You can do that with care free, and not have to worry about it. But our concerns about being published out there in the world are well founded. People have had problems with that in the past. Sometimes, they’ll do it if you if you promised to give them a copy. So if they have a copy of it, and they’re saying here, we’re shooting this with both of us, then if you’re shooting with two couples, both couples get a copy of it. Both couples have control over it. But there’s a huge trust thing there. Right, definitely have to be able to trust this person with your images.

 

Mallory Gordon  58:37

Sure. And I think it’s relevant at that point in time. And it’s still when you enter into something like that. You have to consider the at your own risk aspect of it. Right. Yeah. So

 

58:46

yes, absolutely. So what I’ve seen a lot of amateur films that people wear masks, they’ll wear a face mask or C mask, you know, or they don’t choose facials. You know, just say I’m going to shoot your body. I’m going to shoot your deck going in my wife, but I’m not going to shoot your face.

 

Mallory Gordon  59:02

That’s fine. A

 

59:03

lot of times guys will go. Yeah, I’ll go with that. Yeah. So yeah, no faces can help.

 

Mickey Gordon  59:09

So Jeff, Jeff and Aubrey are having a couple over on Friday night. And we’ll bust out a camera. What are your ground rules? If somebody busts out a camera? Wow, in your bedroom? What are Jeff’s ground rules?

 

59:22

First thing you’re going to do if you’re going to bust out a camera is talk about busting in a camera before you actually do it. Because when somebody whips out a camera, all of a sudden that shocked by you, as their burners go down, people’s concern goes up, and they might just walk out the door. So say, hey, we’ve had this fantasy about taking out a camera. Do you think it’s okay, if I take out a camera, then if they say no, you haven’t busted up that whole vibe and your feeling and your friendship? So if they say yes, may take it out, say before I take it out. This is what I’d like to reassure you about. I want to make sure that you know I’m not going to shoot you face, we’re only going to do this for us. Whatever, whatever. So put down and lay down your ground rules before you actually take the camera out. That puts people at ease. If they see that there’s a camera already out, they’re gonna think it’s rolling already in the light too. So I hate to say this, but it’s the puppy in the alley. You want to coax it over. You don’t want to scare it too much or else it’s just gonna run away.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:00:26

You win that puppy man. I love the analogy though. It’s perfect. It really is. He

 

Mickey Gordon  1:00:32

really is good. Yeah. So um, you know, it’s something that comes up a lot when when Mallory and I talked about the video because we’ve been talking about this a ton lately, because I you know, I kind of wanted to make a video it’d be kind of hot. And

 

1:00:43

yeah, videos are great. Are you kidding? are awesome. Especially when you take a trip? Yeah. When you’re apart from each other. All the time. Episode is late, because we’ve been all over the fucking country. Yeah. So if I want to, if I want to jerk off, I want to jerk off to my favorite Star.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:01:01

It’s so twisted. But that’s one of the sweetest things McGee ever tells me.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:01:04

Oh, Mel is my favorite Star too. I know she was. But that’s great. Oh, I miss you, too. You guys are awesome. You know, the tripod, you know, you bust out a tripod and room and that is one angle. However, you know, in the instance of a husband or a wife who’s out playing, and maybe trying to record something for their, for their spouse at home. And

 

Mallory Gordon  1:01:27

here’s where I’m stuck, right? Like, I’ll have this little tripod and I have my own camera. Like how do I situate that to give the best view or aspect or without having to focus on the move it right, you got to touch it? Yeah, I want to do it hands free.

 

1:01:44

Yeah, set it and forget it. Yeah, the camera way beforehand, like hours beforehand. Okay. All right. So you don’t have to worry about all you have to do is come in and hit the button. That’s all you want to be able to do just want to be able to come in hit the button to get a remote control. You can get remote controls for some selfie sticks. And you can get remote controls for some phones. Okay, so you can do a remote control that’s a little more technical. Another way you can do this, and I hate to say this, but it’s absolutely 100% true, is don’t use your cell phone, use a digital camera. And you can get digital cameras that have remote controls on them that you can actually move them around and change focus, zoom in and zoom out. You see these girls, they have their own podcast, these girls that are masturbatory. They’re shooting their own stuff online. Now, you’ll see, yeah, you’ll see the cam girls are regenda their thigh, and they’ll grab that little remote and zoom in. And they know that they can jerk off and have just a pissy shot and then they’ll zoom out. And then they’ll play with their kitties. So if this is something you want to pursue, and you want to put a little cash into it, that’s a good way to do it. If you’re not going to put a little cash into it, then just take your camera, place it in a good place, put it on a tripod, make sure that you can turn it on, look at it through the screen and make sure that it’s exactly what you want. And then when you’re fucking when you’re having a great time, stay in the spotlight is out of the spotlight. It’s just arms and legs moving. There’s no more spotlight and so mark your spot.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:03:16

I’m writing this down. So check my lighting, check the positioning, so I know where the frame is per se in the video. Yeah. Okay, yeah. And Mark your spot and mark my spot. Okay. Alright, so

 

1:03:27

yeah, make sure that everything is in frame. Yeah.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:03:29

And last last question about this. And as always your fucking wealth of information. And we really appreciate you doing this for us. But let’s talk about angles and shots. What are the best angles and shots for capturing blowjobs for capturing sex for capturing what looks best for men and for women during sex. Also solo.

 

1:03:54

Let’s let’s do let’s do solo. Solo first. If you’re going to do angles, and you’re doing a solo masturbation thing, guys love to see a full woman’s body when she’s masturbating. We don’t necessarily need to be right up on your vagina when you’re doing it. So make sure the whole body is in there because we like looking at your face. Right at the point of orgasm. We like watching your nipples get harder. We like watching your tits juggle. We love watching your vagina when you’re playing with yourself. So get that whole body shot. That’s dangle put the cell phone at the foot of the bed Spread your legs like you’re given birth to the camera. That’s the shot we want to see. Because we can see everything we can see. We can see your titties we can see your vagina, we can see your face. And we see everything spreadeagled because that’s where we’re coming in for the approach when we fuck you. That’s what we want to see when we’re jerking off. Like guys jerking off here you go. Do the side shot. Don’t do the angel shot guys. Girls don’t like looking at your behold, just like anybody else does. Want to do. You want to Yeah, don’t Yeah, don’t do the hairy ass thing. On the side, shoot from the side shoot so that the girls can see Your hips shoot so that they can see your face. Girls love to see your face just as much as the guys do. And then when you’re jerking off and you’re getting ready to pop, then you slide over, put it up to the camera and let her watch it come out. Okay, that’s always a good thing. At that point. They don’t want to see that weird, you know, DC Comics grimace on your face. At that point, they just want to see that come shot, so that they can finish and everything is great. And always say thank you at the end of the video. It’s kind of fun when you do that. That’s fantastic. And nobody looks good coming. By the way. Everybody looks crazy when they’re coming. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So as a couple, your angles are always going to be girl on top. If she’s giving a blowjob girl on top, if she’s fucking girl on top. You know, everybody, both guys and girls would rather see a girl’s asshole jumping up and down and getting penetrated. Not some guys hairy butt. Dude, I’m sorry. That’s just the way it is. In porn. We don’t do that because well, it’s not appealing to anybody. So make sure it’s girls on top. If you’re doing a blowjob POV is always good. You can have a girl on her knees looking up at the guy while you’re getting a blowjob. That way the person who is looking in the video looks like the girls looking at them. That POV shot has always been a big hit. But if you’re gonna do blowjobs scenes I love doing the side stuff. Want to see the girls had gone up and down hair flying all over the place. And girls don’t worry about getting sloppy. We love seeing saliva fly all over the place. And if you’re going to do a comm shot when you’re given a blow job the best one ever is what we call the internal let it come in your mouth open your mouth and let it flow down the shaft of the guys cocked it’s fucking amazing

 

1:06:44

I love it when you’re on I’m here for you guys I’m here for you guys you know what I’m doing?

 

Mallory Gordon  1:06:52

notes I’m taking notes

 

Mickey Gordon  1:06:54

oh my god All right. Yeah look man probably bothered you enough for one day but i well i want to take an opportunity here and let you talk about your projects. Your websites where people find you. I know you’re going back to Quito you’re Jeff the body painter Hito if anybody comes across you, you know listeners if you’re in Quito and you see Jeff the body painter that’s our man go say hi give them a high five and give him some cash on your ass. He doesn’t just you know, but

 

1:07:23

no smell No. Robbery well, real touch addictions. Okay. Good. Yeah. I love that. I love that so much. If you’re gonna get in touch with us, you can always see my stuff on Jeff the body painter comm www.vitac.com if you want to get in touch with us, and look at our artwork, we are on Instagram and on Facebook under no frame of reference. All one word, no frame of reference. You can see our work there. You can even purchase it by getting a hold of us on the Instagram and see all of our new stuff coming out. We do have a gallery show. Like I said July the 27th at the Garcia center of the arts in San Bernardino, California if they happen to be there. If not we’re going to be shooting our stuff all over the place no pun intended. If you decide you want to to come out and look for your recently past or if you happen to have a source problem. PCI you can look this up at CCI paranormal. We have all of our websites out there yet you can go PCI comm if you go PCI ghost comm where you can do what’s called paranormal spy calm. Come on out and see us. Yeah, come on out and see us. We’d love to have you guys do that. If you’re really into it. And you want to you want to have us come out and join us for either party. We either Can’t you we can look at your relatives, or we can sell your stuff to decorate your front yard. I’m sorry. Anyway, you want to go so thank you guys so much. We love you guys. It’s Jeff and Avi. We just we can’t we can’t be casual swingers way to go.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:09:05

We love you too.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:09:06

Well, hey, we’re gonna let Valerie tell everybody where they can find us and we’re gonna get out of here for today. I know we were late this week so sorry to everybody that waited for our show but we were out of town but now we’re back and we brought you like we said we were coming into Season Two with a bang that couldn’t think of a better way to start Season Two than to do it with Jeff James and talking about bank banging on video.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:09:26

Love it. Love it. Yes, we are casual swing are everywhere guys. That is Instagram, Twitter, STC SLS, double date nation, Cassidy and I’m forgetting one SLS

 

Mickey Gordon  1:09:45

podcast at casual swinger comm or leave us a review on iTunes.

 

Mallory Gordon  1:09:49

Yes, please.

 

Mickey Gordon  1:09:50

All kinds of ways but guys, it’s been a pleasure. This has been Jeff James and we’ve been talking about intimate videos and photography. So catch us again in a couple of weeks. We got a special episode. Your Way, everybody. Thank you very much for listening. You’ve been listening to casual swinger.